Show full size 924Board.org
Discussion Forum of 924.org
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 
 Technical FAQ924 FAQ (Technical)   Technical924 Technical Section   Jump to 924.org924.org   Jump to PCA 924 Registry924 Registry

New 924 Turbo Owner. Headlight Bulb Question.

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    924Board.org Forum Index -> General Discussions
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
jcontova  



Joined: 28 May 2024
Posts: 3
Location: Los Angeles, CA

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2024 2:22 pm    Post subject: New 924 Turbo Owner. Headlight Bulb Question. Reply with quote

I am a proud new owner of a '81 924 turbo! I have started to address some things that need replacing on the car and one of these is the passenger headlight. I wanted to know if anyone has any detailed knowledge of the types/brands/PNs of bulbs that would have been factory equipped on an 81 turbo (car is extremely low miles and I want to retain its concours quality). I suspect that the bulbs I currently have are factory original but I wanted to confirm here. They are General Electric H6014 bulbs. I have been unable to find any for sale online of even a photo of an identical bulb except for one listed on Performance Products site here:

https://ppeporparts.com/i-30519918-crystal-vision-ultra-headlight-bulbs-halogen.html#!model%3D924%20TURBO%7C%7Cmake%3DPORSCHE%7C%7Cyear%3D1981

This bulb looks identical to mine, but these look like repros with possibly a non-sealed beam type construction. I have found a few 6014 GE bulbs on Ebay but they lack the H in the part number and the 'HALOGEN' writing on the center of the glass lens.

Anyway, before I go down a rabbit hole of trying to locate NOS H6014s I wanted to confirm that these are indeed factory original (or just factory correct).

Thanks!
_________________
1981 924 Turbo
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Beartooth  



Joined: 05 Apr 2022
Posts: 314
Location: Roberts, MT

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2024 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I couldn't tell you what exactly they came from the factory with, but it's a standard 7" round sealed beam headlight. You can still get 6014s, it seems, but the halogen version (6024 - I think the only difference is it's halogen) is more commonly available and brighter anyway. I went with Hella's H4 conversion, which gives you the sharper, euro-style beam pattern and more brightness yet; I'm pretty happy with it, but I might upgrade to relays just to squeeze a bit more out of it yet. Lastly, there are LED 7" conversions available. Philips and Sylvnaia both make them - but they're more expensive, and you've gotta buy a whole new headlight if it quits on you.
_________________
1980 931 diamond in the rough
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Cedric  



Joined: 27 Aug 2004
Posts: 2801
Location: Sweden

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2024 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beartooth wrote:
I couldn't tell you what exactly they came from the factory with, but it's a standard 7" round sealed beam headlight. You can still get 6014s, it seems, but the halogen version (6024 - I think the only difference is it's halogen) is more commonly available and brighter anyway. I went with Hella's H4 conversion, which gives you the sharper, euro-style beam pattern and more brightness yet; I'm pretty happy with it, but I might upgrade to relays just to squeeze a bit more out of it yet. Lastly, there are LED 7" conversions available. Philips and Sylvnaia both make them - but they're more expensive, and you've gotta buy a whole new headlight if it quits on you.


Its mind boggling that there can be less light than the euro H4 They must barely be glowing:)
_________________
1980 924 Turbo
www.instagram.com/garagecedric/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
Beartooth  



Joined: 05 Apr 2022
Posts: 314
Location: Roberts, MT

PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2024 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't argue with that: the US Department of Transportation came up with a byzantine standard for headlights in the 40s and 50s that took a long time to back down from, and their mindset still lags far behind current technology. Halogen bulbs squeezed a little more out of the DOT standard, but still had a crummy beam pattern and were limited to 35W on low beam. So the extra 20W low beam and more focused beam on euro H4s makes a difference. They're also still not entirely legal in the US, depending on who you ask...

What's even more mind-boggling is, it wasn't until the mid-80s when automakers were able to break from the old sealed headlights - and it was Ford who spear-headed that by arguing that flush, integral headlights would improve fuel efficiency. It wasn't even the more obvious safety advantage that tipped the scales.

I'm big on headlights because I live in an area where deer are everywhere (Montana has the second-highest rate for deer strikes in the US), and the best possible headlight, properly aimed, could be the difference between seeing and avoiding a deer and a smashed-up car (or worse). My Mercedes have euro headlights that are also a big improvement, but unfortunately, my 560SEC is still awaiting repair after hitting a deer a few years back...
_________________
1980 931 diamond in the rough
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Cedric  



Joined: 27 Aug 2004
Posts: 2801
Location: Sweden

PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2024 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beartooth wrote:
I can't argue with that: the US Department of Transportation came up with a byzantine standard for headlights in the 40s and 50s that took a long time to back down from, and their mindset still lags far behind current technology. Halogen bulbs squeezed a little more out of the DOT standard, but still had a crummy beam pattern and were limited to 35W on low beam. So the extra 20W low beam and more focused beam on euro H4s makes a difference. They're also still not entirely legal in the US, depending on who you ask...

What's even more mind-boggling is, it wasn't until the mid-80s when automakers were able to break from the old sealed headlights - and it was Ford who spear-headed that by arguing that flush, integral headlights would improve fuel efficiency. It wasn't even the more obvious safety advantage that tipped the scales.


Interesting..Yeah, twisty country roads in the dark can be a challenge, i dont enjoy it that much in the 924. Would anyone care or notice an H4 uppdate on an old car like this?
I'm big on headlights because I live in an area where deer are everywhere (Montana has the second-highest rate for deer strikes in the US), and the best possible headlight, properly aimed, could be the difference between seeing and avoiding a deer and a smashed-up car (or worse). My Mercedes have euro headlights that are also a big improvement, but unfortunately, my 560SEC is still awaiting repair after hitting a deer a few years back...

_________________
1980 924 Turbo
www.instagram.com/garagecedric/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
Legitimate Salvage  



Joined: 19 Dec 2023
Posts: 53
Location: NC, USA

PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2024 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ordered/installed a pair of these Koito H4 headlights in my '79 924.

https://www.busdepot.com/h6024k

Perfect fit and an order of magnitude better light than the sealed beam halogens that were in it. Very nice low beam cutoff. Made a world of difference in nighttime driving. The lens itself has a flatter profile than the original sealed beams. Not a deal breaker for me.

In another life I owned an '84 Mercedes 300D. I put a similar pair on that car and got the same outstanding improvement in lighting.

I have no advice on finding a set of NOS sealed beams from the late 70's/early 80's. Maybe ePay? If you do get a pair, don't drive your baby at night.

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    924Board.org Forum Index -> General Discussions All times are GMT + 10 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group