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blury · Joined: 14 Jun 2003 Posts: 137 Location: Oklahoma

Well things have went nuts i life since last i posted here but thats antoher story

To reintroduce myself. I have a 1987 924S

Yup there she is. Im from Tulsa OK and I am 26

Now that thats out of the way. I thinking of buying a 1977 924. Its POS but it runs and i need a everyday driver/track car. I have read that the 924 is not worth modifying. However with the S's timing belt crap i dont want to run it on the track and possibly kill it.

So this is my question. What parts are avaible.

To my knowlege this is basically what i need

Race springs or Coilovers
Brakes
Cam
Throttle body
Pistons
Header

And any other suspension things that might be availbae. Im not trying to make a race car out of it. Just a fun weekend track car that i drive everyday. So whats the opinion.
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blury · Joined: 14 Jun 2003 Posts: 137 Location: Oklahoma

Basically i need a Racing Site or company site that makes performacne parts and racing parts for these cars.
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Roger · Joined: 06 Jan 2003 Posts: 1235 Location: Cordova, TN

You could go with the euro pistons and bump it up to 125 hp $$$$. I cant say much for suspension. As for brakes you can upgrade to a 5 bolt four disk 944 set up its just a bolt on mod. I have heard that redline makes a larger or modifies the existing throttle body, I am not sure which. The larger throttle body has gotten good reviews but I would guess its less than a 5 hp gain, but probably much better throttle response. About $200.00. I saw some headers on Ebay but I couldn't say what they offer in hp. I have seen at least one post that complained that the original exhaust manifold was better qualitity.
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jpab924 · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 1:42 pm Post subject:

5 bolt disk brake conversion. Shocks and sway bars. This by far is the best mod you can do. Then worry about engine mods.

Keep in mind that if it is a "true" 77, your horsepower is limited at about 95 hp. You gotta check the numbers on the block by the timing window by the bell housing to see which engine you have. The only difference I have seen, is the size of the valves in the cyl. head. Some of the emissons stuff is different also. But if you are tracking it, who gives a damn about emissions.

Joes924Racer · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 1:49 pm Post subject:

get a msd igntion bump also to assure its all getting burned real good.
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blury · Joined: 14 Jun 2003 Posts: 137 Location: Oklahoma

jpab924 · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:59 pm Post subject:

blury · Joined: 14 Jun 2003 Posts: 137 Location: Oklahoma

Well im still on the fence about the car. If i get it it will be converted to carbs so the intake wont matter. And there is plenty f 924 around i can ge a head off of to play with. So no bigge.
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Vince Ponz · Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 3581 Location: Florida

Used 944 5 bolt suspension 200
Carbs and manifold 1200
Front springs 110
Bilsteins all around 400
Euro pistons 240
tires gippy 400
sway bars 23mm or bigger 100
rear Weltmeister 300
cam 250
valve springs 100
exhaust header 250
muffler sport 100-1000
Poly bushings 40
used 5 speed 250
lightened body parts pick a number
This excludes putting them all on and tuning the car. Add about 1500-2000 to do this.

Did we lose this guy yet? Hello, you still there?

Big bucks=Horsepower and then add more money.

If you are still ready heed some of the previous hints and set up the suspension first and then proceed from there. All of the above was done on my car and I never thought about how much money I have in the car.

Add at least a thousand for paint. Good now on to the interior. Seats 200, steering wheel used 50, door panels 50, rugs did you say?, rear mat and shade. You now get the picture and buy the best car you can and save some money.

Track car? roll bar or cage 350-1000, rear hatch 450, fiberglass hood 350, fenders 250 ea, front and rear bumpers 200 ea. coil overs ????.

Vince
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924RACR · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 11:21 pm Post subject:

Bobby Dodd and Jeff Hinkle of 944Racing.com are right there in Tulsa. You ought to get hooked up with them! You'd probably want to bump the compression and change the head for the later head (with big valves) if it's an early '77 (check the engine code) for more power.

The suspension will have some oddities due to it's early age - it's not exactly the same as the later cars and 944, but you can work through it. On the plus side, the rear suspension will already be bolted solid to the body (no need to go for solid bushings), and the car will be lighter (by up to 200lbs).
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-nick · Joined: 16 Nov 2002 Posts: 2699 Location: Cambridge, MA

Vince's list is a pretty good one. he forgot to add that if you're going to change pistons then you may as well rebuild the whole motor. give at least $600 if you can get away with very little machining.

the '77 cars are a good platform for making a go-fast car since they're the lightest of the series. the only drawback is having to fab up mounts for the later style rear swaybar.

just to clarify- the early '77 motors (XH & XF codes) had smaller intake valves, a different (crappy) cam, and low compression to give them the 95HP as opposed to the '77.5 with 110HP (XG & XE codes).

-nick

chilippr · Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 18

If your looking for horsepower and want everything done right at one source contact PAECO.

Stage Two: 160+ HP (streetable)
Stage Three: 180+ HP
Stage Four: 200+ HP

Big bucks, but as in most things you have to pay to play!

Regards - chilippr

blury · Joined: 14 Jun 2003 Posts: 137 Location: Oklahoma

Well i really like these cars. Im not going to do all this at once but it will get done. Since i bought my 924S about a year ago i have done nothing but spend money on it. Some cars thats the way they are. This one wonat be as pretty and clean as my S it will be a Street/Race car to the hilt.

Suspesnion was the first thing i was looking at. Now why do the 944/924S swap. Is this just for the brakes?? i can get custom made disks for the rear and fab my own brakets for calipers for about the same price but a hell of lot less work.

The thing needs to come down about 2 inches though. It looks like it sits higher than my S and has smaller wheels. But i just like these cars. I stopped driving my S as much to try to restore it. I replaced the carpet when i got it and after of 8 months off everyday use it needs to be replaced again. Damn gray interior. It will be getting replaced black and the whole interior is changing to black. I also re did the sunroof and it now needs to redone agian. So almost everything i did needs to be redone. So i parked for little bit. The 77 will be a beat the hell out of it type of car.
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Roger · Joined: 06 Jan 2003 Posts: 1235 Location: Cordova, TN

There are two reasons I am considering swaping out to the 944 set up.

First is for the four wheel disk brake set up.

Second is that the current 4 bolt lug pattern really limits tire and wheel choices. My car came standard with the eight spoke 14" rims. There were 15" spiderweb rims available as an option.
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blury · Joined: 14 Jun 2003 Posts: 137 Location: Oklahoma

This one has the 8 spokes also. Do you mean your limited to Porsche wheels or aftermarket wheels. VW's use the same pattren and there are tons of aftermarket for those.
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