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headstrong2740
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 Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:41 am Post subject: Needs some help with a project |
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Im coming home in May form my year long deployment and will be pulling the porsche out of storage. I have a laundry list of things i want to do and need to do.
The main things right away will be removing and replacing the head as well as doing the timing / balance belts and all associated hardware.
Would you guys suggest replacing the water pump while im at it since im already in there? And if so.. any good places i should go to get all said parts?
I know that the head and belts will require specific tools to do it correctly. These tools i do not have.......
Does anybody live near the Illinois Iowa boarder that would be willing to loan tools for a few bones....or possibly come help with the process? I live in Moline IL.
Let me know who is interested and what your time looks like for the last two weeks of may so i can figure somthing out for then.
Thanks
James |
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John_AZ
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:00 am Post subject: |
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James,
You must have reasons for pulling the head.
I recently posted a few things to do if you pull the head.
Look at post 10 ?-mine.
http://www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=34657
With the head off, you should check for "soft" lifters. They should be hard to press in---it means the internal piston is full of oil. Soft lifters may not pump up. Get good used if needed.
Check the heater control valve. If you see any white deposits on the pivot, replace it. It will drip on the clutch disc and cause problems.
Cover the TDC/bell housing hole to avoid dropping a bolt in the clutch.
Replace the cam gear bolt with new upgraded bolt ~$6.
I do not change the cam shaft seal if not leaking. If yours leaks I have the DIY.
Boy, to do the WP at the same time is a good thing if necessary. Is yours bad, seal leaking, bearing bad?
The BEST place to get a rebuilt WP is from Zims. They are about $98 exchange with a 2 year warranty. They have the best reviews and quality. Some say better than new.
www.allzim.com
Pulling and replacing the head is easy, going slow, taking the time to clean everything.
I can offer suggestions on the cam belt tensioning if needed.
GL & get home safe.
John
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headstrong2740
Joined: 29 Apr 2010
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Location: Moline IL
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| John_AZ wrote: | James,
You must have reasons for pulling the head.
I recently posted a few things to do if you pull the head.
Look at post 10 ?-mine.
http://www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=34657
With the head off, you should check for "soft" lifters. They should be hard to press in---it means the internal piston is full of oil. Soft lifters may not pump up. Get good used if needed.
Check the heater control valve. If you see any white deposits on the pivot, replace it. It will drip on the clutch disc and cause problems.
Cover the TDC/bell housing hole to avoid dropping a bolt in the clutch.
Replace the cam gear bolt with new upgraded bolt ~$6.
I do not change the cam shaft seal if not leaking. If yours leaks I have the DIY.
Boy, to do the WP at the same time is a good thing if necessary. Is yours bad, seal leaking, bearing bad?
The BEST place to get a rebuilt WP is from Zims. They are about $98 exchange with a 2 year warranty. They have the best reviews and quality. Some say better than new.
www.allzim.com
Pulling and replacing the head is easy, going slow, taking the time to clean everything.
I can offer suggestions on the cam belt tensioning if needed.
GL & get home safe.
John |
Yes I saw this thread and was following it alittle.
The reason to replace the Head is Number 4 intake is leaking oil badly into the chamber and is causeing me to burn oil.
I Will def. check the lifters cause im already in there so might as well check it all before putting it back together and wasting a gasket set.
The waterpump is not leaking or anything, but its a car i purchased on the cheap from a guy and its been sitting for a while in storage and only been really driven here and there a few weeks before i deployed and the Fiance is starting it from time to time for me in the storage. It is on stands so she is not driving it (dont want her to wreck it by accident) 
I have been shopping around for the stuff i need but i dont want to buy a timing belt set until i know two things:
1) the water pump i have (original style or new) since the pulleys are diff and the new one has the guide
2) what engine series i have. I dont remember which style tensioner I have and with it being a 86 production year (still model 1987) i think it will be the prior engine but not sure until i see the casting.
I also will be purchasing the FOES items and knocking that out while im in there... seems like a good idea anyway just to be safe.
I figure if i do all this and have everything serviced I should not have to worry about any of it for a while.
If anybody knows a good place to get the tools i need to do this job on the cheaper side that will be a big help. The belt tensioner though with the Dial is soooooo not cheap. Im assuming this is a must have item, but if im wrong let me know so i can stop worrying about that.
I wish i had taken more pics of the car before i left so i could post on here the whole lot of them so you can all see the project i will be embarking on here.
It will be a long process before this car is done and to where i like it to be. The goal is to get the car to be in good - excellent shape all around. Think Im crazy for wanting to do this? Please tell me now.. or forever hold your peace |
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Rasta Monsta
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Check out Bruce Arnn for tools.
Oh, and nobody here is going to call you crazy for fixing up a toofah.
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headstrong2740
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 5:21 am Post subject: |
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That kits will work very well Rasta.. Thanks
Ill be ordering that here this week. |
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headstrong2740
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:39 pm Post subject: Dealership Strikes Again |
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So I contacted my local Stealership and got a price quote on the parts i would need to do the timing belts and what not as well as front seals for my 924S.
This is the invoice they sent me:
http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af125/headstrong2740/porsche/porsche_parts.jpg
The problem here is they did not include the Pulleys or tensioner at all. and in top of it.. i can get most of these parts from Pelican for about $174.25 total.
I still need the seal kit for FOES which i found at this place:
http://www.pap-parts.com/prodinfo.asp?number=000+043+065+00
Any thoughts on this company or anybody use them in past?
I still have to round up the tensioner parts as well as the other pulleys. Just need to figure out the part numbers so i can just add them to my project list on Pelican.
Let me know if you guys know of a timing kit that would save me money overall and time. From the looks of the stuff im getting from the delaership parts ...i have the older engine (86 year)
Its also the Automatic Motor on my end (wish it was a manual)
Anything else you guys see that I am missing let me know.. i will be ordering everything and the tools i need here in a few weeks... this way its all sitting there for me when i get home.  |
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John_AZ
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Your MOS (military occupation specialty) must be in the supply department. Only the government would pay these prices, not an owner of a 924S.
Ask them how much the labor will cost.
http://www.lujack.com/index.htm
John
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bcblase
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Somebody posted a link to this place the other day - seems to have very good prices on timing belt/roller kits for the 924S/944 engines. The prices on the water pumps and fuel pumps are good also.
http://www.allzim.com
Paragon has good prices also, and I usually get genuine Porsche parts on a lot of stuff.
http://www.paragon-products.com
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headstrong2740
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| John_AZ wrote: | Your MOS (military occupation specialty) must be in the supply department. Only the government would pay these prices, not an owner of a 924S.
Ask them how much the labor will cost.
http://www.lujack.com/index.htm
John |
Well for starters im not paying them anything because i dont want to over pay for my parts.
The labor i will do on my own since it will give me somthing to do when i get home to relax. I have a strong Mech. Background and will have the tools ordered as well so i should be fine. This will be my first porsche engine work though so i will be learning alot im sure.
Ill probably be asking lots of questions once the process begins. But the nice thing is this will allow me to check alot of things and rebuild the vac. lines as well as clean alot of grounds as i get to them.
The other issue i hope to fix in this process to.. with some other parts.. is the bad idle... it will sometimes idle just fine, but then randomly die and not fire up for a few minutes... so im not sure what the deal is there but could just b a vac issue... but i dont think im that lucky  |
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headstrong2740
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Ok... so you guys have an idea of what I will be doing when i get home.
As an update I am ordering the tools and most of the parts right now as i am typing this.
The tools i am getting from the site Rasta sent me. This should get the belts done with no problem and be fine. Ill be rechecking the belts probably every 5-10k just cause im paranoid like that.
The lifters will be checked while im doing the head.
What other things should i be doing while i have the head off and such?
I have the parts and stuff to redo the Vac lines, and have to order a new boot from the intake to the manifold.
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headstrong2740
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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As an added update.. I will be also running all the tests for the entire fuel system as well as ignition
I will aslo be testing the coolant fans as well as swtiches and resitor. I know i will be replacing some parts as one fan will not come on and the other runs rather slow.
I will also be looking to rewire the washer pump and the entire hose system for that (shot)
The electrical grounds all over the body will also be getting ckecked and cleaned as well as all battery cables and grounding straps replaced.
Anything else you guys think i need to add to my list?
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Rasta Monsta
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:47 am Post subject: |
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AOS seals?
Don't forget to inspect three seal sleeves, and bs carrier front bearings.
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headstrong2740
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| Rasta Monsta wrote: | AOS seals?
Don't forget to inspect three seal sleeves, and bs carrier front bearings. |
Sorry to allow my noob to be showing.. but what do you mean by AOS seals?
Also can you indulge me a little more with the three seal sleeves and carrier? im thinking bs means balance shaft
Sorry the acronyms get me everytime still
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headstrong2740
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 2:21 am Post subject: |
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Sorry was offline for a while but i figured it out through searching... AOS (air oil seperator)
Yes i plan to work on that.. not sure where it is on the car but i will find it while working and get that replaced as well.
Any ideas on the throttle body re-seal.. needed or not?
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