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Lizard  



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very good book, though I found it for purchase for about $20 cdn locally, still need to get it though.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that Raceboy!! Another good book on the subject is "Turbochargers" by Hugh MacInnes, published by HP books.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm reading it...will post when i have made my decision on what diameter and IC will use.....and explinations for that.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok...got it...i read the intercooling section and i have this until now:

From the calculations it resulted to me that if i want an IC good for ~250 BHP using medium density and 10" long cores(i only have access to this type), the IC core will have to be 35cm long / 25cm tall and 7.5cm thick. I have also decided on the design of the i/o caps but i'm still thinking about using 2" or 2.5" pipes.

pushing 250 BHP with 2" pipes would result in ~290 ft/sec intake gas speeds while using 2.5" pipes would give one ~190 ft/sec gas sepeeds.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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pushing 250 BHP with 2" pipes would result in ~290 ft/sec intake gas speeds while using 2.5" pipes would give one ~190 ft/sec gas sepeeds.


Does that allow for the wall thickness of the pipes,? Usually 2mm for ally and 1.2-1.6 for stainless or mild steel. So the ID is 3 or 4 mm less.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no the calculations refer to the usefull area....however the 2mm do not affect the flow in such a dramatic way...what i was interested more in was the difference between the 2" and the 2.5" profiles
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RC  



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

morghen wrote:
no the calculations refer to the usefull area....however the 2mm do not affect the flow in such a dramatic way...what i was interested more in was the difference between the 2" and the 2.5" profiles


Not being critical but a quick calculation shows over 17% difference in cross sectional area and therefore flow between 48mm and 52mm. May as well work it out realistically. Anyway, what size pipes are you going to use?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2.25" like I suggested
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

match it to your throttle body...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm...this sounds right....whats the 931 S2 TB diameter ? 52mm ?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raceboy or anyone else. Dont suppose you can give us a link to Corky Bell`s book "supercharged"?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RC wrote:
Raceboy or anyone else. Dont suppose you can give us a link to Corky Bell`s book "supercharged"?

Thanks,
Roger


Sorry, don't have the link for it.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

does anyone have some info on the 931 head flow numbers? max gas speed trough it...? i remember there was some talk about this a while ago..
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