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D Hook · Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 3158 Location: Omaha, NE

If he owes other people money from paypal transactions, paypal will hold any and all funds that comes into the account and pay the funds to whoever has won a claim against that seller.
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Joes924Racer · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:32 pm Post subject:

I feel for the guy

he messed himself up with pay-pal
and couldn't justify giving the parts he knew sparky had paid for
guess the light was to bright he couldn't under stand what pay pal
did to him ..to him it was they ripped him off..

Well we don't have to worry about staking him to
the ground and pouring honey on him & let the critters get to him.
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Joes924Racer · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:07 pm Post subject:

Gee sorry for posting again I just
checked my e-mail he sent me something.
He wrote

As I mentioned to your friend in Malta, PayPal withdrew the funds from my account but only refunded a partial amount to him.
All $620 was held by PayPal.
Understand?
Not don't waste my time with BS.
I don't have his money.
If he was smart, he would focus his efforts on PayPal, not me.
I have nothing from him. 0

joedanka@comcast.net wrote:
Bull shit its your pay pal account isnt it.. wheres the money???
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1980 porsche Turbo 931GT Replica
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sparky · Joined: 27 Nov 2002 Posts: 772 Location: Malta

Hey everyone.. sorry was away for a day or 2..
got some updates.. and btw thanks everyone for your support!

D Hook, unfortunately i have been a bit tied up and not had the time to blast this jerk around on other boards.. but will be sure to do so tonight..

Joes924Racer,
Lol sounds exactly like the same BS emails he was sending to me.. damnn if only i lived over there i would teach him who not to mess with

Not only is he a scam artist but he does think that calling people idiots and just being plain rude will make us back down.. well I have now put it into first and slammed the gas down right towards him! (will explain further down)

Nemesis,
Yep I do remember i am not the only person to get stung by this ass monkey! Will make a point of warning as many boards that i can about this guy.. Cant wait for the brakes to arrive

that is gonna be a nice day when they are all fitted up

*Praises Nemesis!*

Flosho,
Cant beleive this guy, guess he swallowed a big can of BS! so i guess he thinks if he messes up his paypal account, and then paypal use my cash to refund someone else.. that its not his problem.. lol he is going to get one hell of a shock!

Here is for the interesting update:
I spoke on the phone to the Georgia Secetary of State who did refer me to the Georgia Consumer Affairs, I explained my case and also his excuses, which they agree none of which are vaild!

and the next step is for me to send a fax to them with all the information i have about the purchase and they will hopefully sort everything out for me within 3 weeks.. I still do want to get back him from some other way though and make sure that all he can get around on from now onwards is a zimmerframe!!

Which boards do you suggest i warn about this prick?
Rennlist, Pelican.. any others..

From what i know this guy is a member of one of the above..
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1998 Boxster with goodies
2002 3.0 Xtype 4wd sport

gohim · Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 4459 Location: Rialto, CA

From previous experience with DeadBeat Scammers, I suggest that you check with eBay to see if this guy is still active, and make a complaint as Item not Received if possible. See if you can make a claim for Buyer Protection. Odds are you won't get a dime (eBay if like that). If it is too late to do that, I would still make a report to the eBay Security Center regarding the fact that you paid and did not receive anything.

I would place warning messages on Pelican and on RennList. Try sending a message directly to John D. on RennList.

We have had Scammers active in all four places at the same time before, and even when their access is removed under one screen name, eventually the Scum reappears using another name (one example: capri22racer aka 924carrera aka 944s2guy aka many others...).

Joes924Racer · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:34 pm Post subject:

He sent me an other e-mail today

>>>>>>>>>>
I don't know what exactly you're talking about..........yes, my name is David (not Dave), but no, I've never had the police involved in anything regarding my sales or supposed "scams" which you and your friends are claiming, which are news to me.
If this is a case of mistaken identity, then no doubt whoever is responsible will deal with the consequences.
This case of typical PayPal action regarding a refund (or lack thereof) has possibly led you and/or your friends to point fingers, but again, I am not liable for PayPal's crookedness, and I mean that literally. I was not joking when I mentioned I joined a class action lawsuit against PayPal, since they do owe me money. If you are still referring to ME as the person who "scammed" anyone, then I'd like you to provide some proof before you (and others) run their mouth or make false accusations. Slander should never be taken lightly; take that as a hint.
I don't know you, and obviously you don't know me, hence the harsh presumptions and threats towards me and/or my business which you have unnecessarily displayed are being noted.
I've been in business for 13 years, and I'm proud to say I've never had anything remotely close to the issues you describe with customers.
If you have some proof, I would like to see it. Otherwise, your accusations are completely without cause and unwelcome. If you and/or your friends persist, I will have no choice but to take legal action. I hope you and your friends are sufficiently educated concerning the US legal system in order to accept that liability upon yourselves.
I assume we are all adults and understand each other.
David

joedanka@comcast.net wrote:
Hey look ya know I understand I guess you had some problems ..
seems your storys been told before even had the police involved.
over on Rennlist (user d993) about Mark's bum purchase. I actually brought it up in another listers thread about being scammed by this Dave guy and he began PM'ing me all sorts of nastiness. He's a real brainiac this one. Typical habitual liar that thinks the more vigor and insults you put behind your arguements and lies the more believable and justified they become.

The guy thinks that blaming it on PP is an excuse when the only reason Paypal did not refund all of Mark's money is bacause David did not have enough in his account to cover it (due to several claims for non receipt I bet) or they closed his account due to excessive claims. Either way, Paypal does not owe sparky anything, and they do not keep people's money. Scammers always think that they are the clever ones and the poor buyer is just another dumbass victim.

The other guy from RL that had issues (several others chimed in with similar problems) ended up getting the Daluth, GA police in volved, and I think they even paid ole Dave a visit. Better them than some of sparky's stateside mates!

Later
Joe D.
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1980 porsche Turbo 931GT Replica
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sparky · Joined: 27 Nov 2002 Posts: 772 Location: Malta

Wow now he thinks he can turn the tables.. well dave/david/scam artist.. i finally have a few minutes to take time to warn other owners about your very unprofessional business and the way you screwed me out of my cash..

Here is a quick summary of how it went for anyone new joining this post:

> I paid $620 to Mr. David Mandache from Northeast Auto Inc. for a set of brake calipers
> After a few weeks of receiving nothing i email him asking him whats up
> Only then does he 'claim' to be having temporary problems with paypal
> I apply for a refund and only get $361 back.
> I email him asking for the rest of my cash back as he never sent my goods.. and in return i get abusive emails and him claiming he doesnt owe me a penny because its not his fault he screwed up his own paypal account!

Please dont take the risk with this guy.. he screwed me.. and there is a good chance he will screw you too! Im sure he does ship out some parts on occasions but trust me.. there are a bunch of other people who have had one heck of a bad experience with him too! Dont worry i can verify this.. not just slagging this jerk into the ground for nothing..

Just my bit of advice..

Mark (SparkY)
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When the checkered flag drops... The Bull$hit Stops

1976 Euro 924 (The 945)

- Full 951 Brakes/Suspension

1998 Boxster with goodies
2002 3.0 Xtype 4wd sport

OutOfTheBox · Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 434

OutOfTheBox · Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 434

you forgot his ebay name, there must be a hundred North East Autos

Joes924Racer · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:47 am Post subject:

I stopped.. my last e-mail with him was when he sent me that.

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1980 porsche Turbo 931GT Replica
Have u ever driven a turbo.

NEMESIS · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:04 am Post subject:

1Fast924T · Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Posts: 10

To whom it may concern, mainly Mark Berman aka "sparky" on these forums and the rest of you who decided to jump on the BS bandwagon.

This is Chris @ Northeast Auto Inc.
David has insisted that he will not deal with idiots, so I have taken it upon myself to show some proof of what David was talking about regarding these BS claims made by Mr. Berman.
I have quoted and responded to every sentence:

ideola · Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI

Any way you slice it, Mr. Mandache has conducted himself SHAMEFULLY as a businessman. Any reasonable businessman would NOT berate his customers, call them names, and shirk responsibility.

It is NOT the customer's responsibility to make sure that payment methods are in good order, it is the SELLER's responsibility. It is not the customer's responsibility to make things right when the SELLER's chosen business partners (in this case eBay and PayPal) purportedly cause some sort of dysfunction in the business transaction, it is the SELLER's responsiblity. It is not the customer's responsibility to initiate communication and see that the transaction goes smoothly, it is the SELLER's responsibility. On ALL of these counts, Mr. Mandache has SHIRKED HIS RESPONSIBILITY.

Trying to DODGE responsibility by taking this ridiculous approach of going on the offensive, berating the customer, calling the customer demeaning names, and refusing to DO THE RIGHT THING, demonstrates Mr. Mandache's utter lack of business acumen and total disregard for what is ethically correct.

THE RIGHT THING TO DO ultimately is to make your customer whole EVEN IF it technically wasn't your own fault. And that brings up another point. RESPONSIBILITY and FAULT aren't the same things. It may very well be that Mr. Mandache was not "at fault". However, as the SELLER, he IS responsible. And that is the key factor that is being overlooked here.

The bottom line in all of this is that the customer was wronged. Period. End of sentence. End of discussion. If Mr. Mandache doesn't have the decency, the concern for his customers, and the good sense to make it right, he is creating his own bad will. What you are seeing in this thread is simply one manifestation of that.

In the final analysis, it doesn't matter to me one bit if Mr. Mandache were completely innocent of all the charges leveled at him. It doesn't matter to me if Mr. Mandache lines up an entire parade of character witnesses professing what a great and wonderful guy he is. His very words in the email threads posted here and the indisputable actions he undertook condemn him. The simple fact that he chose to shirk his responsibility and treat his customer so poorly is evidence enough for me that he (and North East Auto) do not deserve my business. I'm sure I am not alone in that regard.

You want to earn respect??? You want to earn my business??? You want to earn the good will of other people on this board? THEN DO THE RIGHT THING!!! Fix the problem. Even if it's not your fault. I guarantee, instead of tunneling down this rathole of a blame game, if you FIX THE PROBLEM, this thread will go away. If you don't fix the problem, this thread will fester, and no reasonable person from this board will ever do business with you again.

Pretty simple stuff.
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D Hook · Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 3158 Location: Omaha, NE

What I don't understand is why "Chris" or David or whatever he's calling himself this week, didn't just ship the parts if the money was in his paypal account and then make the fight with Paypal instead of involoving the customer. The customers paid for the goods:

"The payment IS in the account, but I do NOT have access to it until this linked account BS is resolved."

So the customer completed his part of the transaction. If I bought parts and the other end screwed up their finances, I'd still like to have the parts, not a refund. The buyer had nothing to do w/this "linking" of accounts. (And what the heck is that, anyway?) I've never heard of a reputable business do that. The goods are offered. The goods are paid for. The goods should be delivered. What ever beef the seller has with paypal should be out of the equation. WTF is so hard to understand about that? Seller's responsibility to fulfill his end of the contract and not drag the customer into his financial malestrom. Why take the risk of creating what has now become a topic on two or three different Porsche boards and risk alienating thousands of potential customers?

Hopefully, this will be a good thread for everyone out there and learn from.

BTW, is "BS" just a regional favorite term or are "Chris" and "Dave" joined at the linguistic hip?

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