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BillA
Joined: 27 Dec 2002 Posts: 170 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:32 am Post subject: Porsche snobbery |
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| Happy new year everyone! Just thought I'd throw this out there. Not trying to start any trouble! I am also a rennlister and I receive many an e-mail from that forum. There are a couple of e-mails circulating about how the 944/951/944s and s2 are treated like the bastard children from the rest of the Porsche community, excluding us 924's. I definitely feel for them, however, try parking a 924 next to a 996 and see what kind of response you get. I've even had some 944 owners make comments to me but thats OK, cause there will always be a 924 parked in my driveway! |
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Neil924

Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 4225 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:15 am Post subject: |
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If our 924's didn't exsist, neither would a 944, 986 or 996.
If they want to pretend that their rich kings, let them. It's the 924 that let them have their fun.
A 996 is a grandchild of a 924, how can it say the 924 isn't a true Porsche? If that the case, neither is the 996 or anything made after 1980. |
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Chrenan

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 3903 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:32 am Post subject: |
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A 2006 Porsche and a 1980 Porsche are 2 different animals. I have my car because I like tinkering with old cars, a 2006 Porsche owner has his car because he likes new Porsches. If they want to make fun of my car, fine. I find it a little strange that a 944 owner, or an early 911 owner, would shit on a 924 owner. I mean seriously, we're all running the same race, trying to keep 20+ year old sports cars on the road, dealing with maintenance woes, fast dissappearing parts, and still trying to budget the odd upgrade here or there. _________________ 1987 951 - M193 Version for Japan |
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flosho

Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Posts: 3160 Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:59 am Post subject: |
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No matter what car you own, there is always someone that is going to look down upon it. Someone always thinks their model is bigger and badder, its life. It's kinda what makes me dump as much money as I do into the 924 because it isn't as fast or as cool as this Porsche or that Porsche.  _________________ [This Space For Rent] |
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StienbargerR
Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 1362 Location: Richmond, IN
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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I've decided to think of it this way; The porsche company decides to badge their cars with a porsche emblem, no one else, and is solely their decision when they dub a car a Porsche.
Its kind of like art, maybe the artist makes a painting that is radical to their style, but it is still that artists work, with his signature. Can't deny its not a true Picaso work, if it truly is made by Picaso.
Ryan _________________ 1978 924 NA
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462avi

Joined: 15 Sep 2006 Posts: 149 Location: Hollister, California
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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You all have the right attitute. I think initially we all bought the 924 because it was cheap, but the little car grows on you. I know a lot of 911 owners look down on this little car but it is becoming more accepted at time wheres on. I purchased my first 924 in 1995 and I loved the little car. It met an untimely death and many other cars later I have moved on to a 931. On my way home from purchasing the car, with it in tow on a trailer ( as most 931's are these days) I was passed by two different Porsche drivers. One was a new Boxster and one was a newer 911 turbo. Both of those drivers gave me a honk and a thumbs up. It made me proud to be part of the Porsche heritage. I think that most Porsche purists realize the importance of these vehicles, and if you come across someone how looks down on you then chalk it up to the fact that they don't know anything about the marque and its humble underpinnings. Most Porsche owners don't know the VW beetle was designed by Ferdinand Porsche. They also don't know the 356 had essentially a VW power plant in it. So as humble as our cars may be they are just as essential to the success of Porsche as any other car in the stable. All told there were about 150,000 924's built this includes the base model all the way to the 924S. It was one of Porsches best selling models in its era. If people who drive 80,000 dollar Porsches don't realize the 924's importance who cares. They ultimately are the ones that make it possible for us to continue rebuilding the forgotten models.
Geoff _________________ 2005 C230K
2002 grand cherokee with 4.7L |
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ushawk1

Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Posts: 63 Location: Northwest, WA
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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I don't mind 911 owners thinking they have the only Porsche ever to exist, and I will put up with 99x's, 944's, etc. The Porsche guys I have problems with are the 914 crowd. They think they have the ultimate Porsche. 914's are the true imposters in the Porsche family. 914's are noisy, slow, and their handling is not all it is cracked up to be. I parked next to a 914 once at an autocross event, and the 914 owner told me to move my 'Audi' outta the way. I told him I'd rather drive an Audi than a P.O.S. VW reject with some Porsche stickers on it. I also reminded him I could work on my car without having to drop out the engine. I was mean, but I refuse to listen to 914 owners. I was going to buy a 914 once, but after spending time in their forum, I found those old guys to be bigger dicks than the kids over in Mustang/Civic/WRX/Evo crowd. _________________ Shut up fool, those are mine. |
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StienbargerR
Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 1362 Location: Richmond, IN
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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ushawk,
I found your story humorous because the 924 was made to fill the 914's spot, correct? You shoulda told him to get his v-dub the heck away from your audi. lol. I honestly like the 914's, but I dont know if I'd want one after looking at the crazy work you have to get one running right and looking good.
Ryan _________________ 1978 924 NA
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sequential

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Posts: 500 Location: BANNED
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| ushawk1 wrote: | | I don't mind 911 owners thinking they have the only Porsche ever to exist, and I will put up with 99x's, 944's, etc. The Porsche guys I have problems with are the 914 crowd. They think they have the ultimate Porsche. 914's are the true imposters in the Porsche family. 914's are noisy, slow, and their handling is not all it is cracked up to be. I parked next to a 914 once at an autocross event, and the 914 owner told me to move my 'Audi' outta the way. I told him I'd rather drive an Audi than a P.O.S. VW reject with some Porsche stickers on it. I also reminded him I could work on my car without having to drop out the engine. I was mean, but I refuse to listen to 914 owners. I was going to buy a 914 once, but after spending time in their forum, I found those old guys to be bigger dicks than the kids over in Mustang/Civic/WRX/Evo crowd. |
I do not see any difference in your attitude towards 914's as others do towards the 924, etc..
I have owned and or have had access to most Porsche models ever made , in many different configurations and trim. i have yet to find one that i did not like. of course there are those more likable than other's , least liked , 928 , most liked 996 GT3. The best Porsche is the newest , as the newer cars are significantly better than the previous generation ( of course there are exceptions ).
I would disagree with you that a 924 is better than a 914, it is not , TO ME ! as i prefer my 914 to my 924 or any front engine porsche that i have ever had or driven and i would put my 924 up against alot.
The rear engined cars are dynamically superior to me and a 924/944/968
would need significantly more HP to run faster than a 914. I KNOW THIS ! been there done that . I find in the Porsche world you will only get ragged on if your car is a POS. Most Porsche people respect the models .. but turn up in a POS anything and you get a hard time .
I have heard the odd audi comment ,whenever i"m at the track with the 924 , mostly in jest and mostly from newbies as when you are kicking someone's ass on the track the respect level changes.
Most negative comments come from non Porsche owners , who are always carefull to remind you that you do not drive a real Porsche as they seem offended if you think you do .....
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Paul

Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 9491 Location: Southeast Wisconsin
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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A 1980 931S will give a 1980 911 more than it wants on the track....Of course the 931S cost more than a stripped 1980 911.... _________________ White 87 924S "Ghost"
Silver 98 986 3.6l 320 HP "Frank N Stein"
White 01 986 "Christine"
Polar Silver 02 996TT. "Turbo"
Owned and repaired 924s since 1977
Porsche: It's not driving, it's therapy. |
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sequential

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Posts: 500 Location: BANNED
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Paul wrote: | | A 1980 931S will give a 1980 911 more than it wants on the track....Of course the 931S cost more than a stripped 1980 911.... |
They are of similar specs , but you will finish 9/10 races in the 911 , vs 4/10in the 931 most of the time ..... |
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Paul

Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 9491 Location: Southeast Wisconsin
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, 931s are great cars WHEN THEY ARE RUNNING! But it's fun to watch a 911 spin out while trying to follow me into a decreasing radius turn!!! _________________ White 87 924S "Ghost"
Silver 98 986 3.6l 320 HP "Frank N Stein"
White 01 986 "Christine"
Polar Silver 02 996TT. "Turbo"
Owned and repaired 924s since 1977
Porsche: It's not driving, it's therapy. |
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sequential

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Posts: 500 Location: BANNED
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Paul wrote: | | Yep, 931s are great cars WHEN THEY ARE RUNNING! But it's fun to watch a 911 spin out while trying to follow me into a decreasing radius turn!!! |
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Paul

Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 9491 Location: Southeast Wisconsin
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, I have so much fun at DEs with novice 911 owners that think they can follow me. _________________ White 87 924S "Ghost"
Silver 98 986 3.6l 320 HP "Frank N Stein"
White 01 986 "Christine"
Polar Silver 02 996TT. "Turbo"
Owned and repaired 924s since 1977
Porsche: It's not driving, it's therapy. |
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ushawk1

Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Posts: 63 Location: Northwest, WA
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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True. I dislike 914 owners, not so much the car. I am sure many 944/968 owners view 924's this way. A 914 is better and worse than a 924, and vice versa. But most 914 owners think their car is some mega handling F1 race car. Both are respectable enough in ways, but compared to newer Porsche's (and most other new cars) they are outclassed in every single way. My aunt's new Lincoln Town Car could defintiely outrun and probably outturn my 924.
But back to new Porsche owners; I think they don't even know what old Porsche's look like. I still have people ask me what kind of car I am driving. 99% of them think it is an RX-7/280ZX/300ZX. _________________ Shut up fool, those are mine. |
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