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[Mikri184]

Working on my 80 chassis for the new motor, I am removing the rubber off the fire wall in the engine bay, It was badly damaged and pealing, looked like crap and I wanted to paint the engine bay before installing the new motor. My question is is it OK to have this gone or is there any rules in the racing that would prevent me from, I couldn't find anything but thought I would ask some of you with more experience. I have another piece that is perfect that I can install or I can install some other stuff. But won't do it it I don't have too, Thanks
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[924RACR]

Where/with whom do you want to race? You have a few options. Most rulebooks are available online.
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'79 924 #77 SCCA H Prod racecar
'82 931 Plat. Silver
#25 Hidari Firefly P2 sports prototype

[Mikri184]

Well will be racing in The Pacific Northwest of course, The club my other 924 friends race in is Icscc, I beleive. They race in Seattle Porstland eastern Washington, They use basically the same rules as the SCCA. I have read all the rule books. But I do hope that after I get started I will not be limited to just racing here, since i make at least one cross country trip a year, I would like to make it to another track say somewhere in the midwest, I head back to Ohio and the south OKlahoma area every year, and thought it would be fun to try and hit a race or two while I am there if possible. Once i get my race lisence. But need to be sure I have a legal car.
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[Bart]

If you come to Oklahoma you can run in the COMMA series at Hallett, about 30 miles west of Tulsa. It is a run what you brung kinda deal. Great people to race with and not usually any body contact, usually.

They run 8 events a year. Try seaching for COMMA or Hallett on the net and you will find the particulars.

Hallett also hosts SCCA, PCA DE's and a PCA club race. The club race is usually in October.

Good Luck!
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'87 924S
'92 968
'71 GP 510 #61

[John Brown]

Vaughan can correct me; but I seriously doubt if any scrutineer will ping you for not having the firewall lining. If they even notice or know.
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99 Escalade - tows track cars
gone but not forgotten: original 924.org car - 82

[924RACR]

You might get in trouble if you were running Showroom Stock, but these cars are a little old for that!

I can only really comment on SCCA and GTS rules; most likely you're looking at the former, rather than the latter, I'm thinking. You do need to realize that there are a number of classes within SCCA that you could prep a 924 for, and they each have their own set of rules allowing and disallowing different mods. SS is but one example, though cars need to be less than 10 years old.

The 924 is currently eligible to run in IT, Production, and GT classes. In IT, mods are fairly limited, which keeps costs down and field sizes up - mainly why I race there. Prod and GT allow much more, depending, but we'll ignore those unless you state otherwise. The underlying philosophy of IT is IIDSYCYC - "If it doesn't say you can, you can't!" So unless it says you can remove the firewall heat shielding/insulation, you can't.

But someone would have to complain about it. I don't have it. And the way the rules and tech work in SCCA is that it's up to competitors to self-police. That means that when tech inspectors inspect your car, they're only checking safety concerns - trying to make sure you're not going to go out there and kill yourself. The only time they look at legality of your car within the class is as a result of another competitor filing a protest. So someone has to complain about it first, AND put money up.

This varies from area to area and from class to class, but protesting in IT competition is pretty rare, and protesting over things which really aren't a competitive advantage is even more unlikely. We are technically supposed to have washer bottles (butt of the most common IT running joke), but I don't think anyone's ever been DQ'd for not having one. Kinda silly... but welcome to the SCCA!

Really, it's not that bad - most of us just go out and race, and laugh about it afterwards over a couple of beers.

As for traveling, probably your best bet is indeed prepping the car to IT standards, since it's the most commonly recognized class around. You'd be sure to be able to drive it at most races, or at least legal for other classes such as with NASA or Midwest Council. Like I said, it also keeps the cost down and the competitveness up.

Also, if you're thinking about coming to Ohio to race, there's really only one track to go to (coming from such a distance) - Mid-Ohio! Many great races there, plenty of opportunities, and one helluva track.

You may also consider, if Wisconsin is in striking distance, to hit Road America (Elkhart Lake, just north of Milwaukee, you'll have to ask Alice Cooper what that means again). These are both CART/IRL/TransAm/ALMS/GrandAm pro tracks, and well worth going to. I wouldn't really even bother with other tracks in the midwest until you've gotten those on the plan!
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'79 924 #77 SCCA H Prod racecar
'82 931 Plat. Silver
#25 Hidari Firefly P2 sports prototype

[Mikri184]

Car set up as follows.
The stroked motor I recently acquired, Header with 2.5 inch pipe out the back with 944 stainless muffler.
I am still highly considering running carbs, and not the cis injection. The head is highly modified. interior stripped. Upgraded suspension, including sway bras front and rear. Ignition is updated. And that is all I can think of at the moment.
I will be running in GTU in the PCA autocross season this year, which means I pretty much can do anything. And thought I may take the car cross contry with me to hit other region PCA events, as I feel that would be the easist to get into, already being a member. And am going to plan my trip around that (hopefully)
Even as a Boy I dreamed about racing at mid Ohio, And even though I don't live there anymore, it is one of the top ten tracks I wish to race on. My top is Laguna Seca. I know the mods on my car is going to make competion stiff, but I am into this to have fun. Of course I would like to win like anyone else, but first I come to have fun, if I win BONUS! Kind of my philosophy on life too.
Now last season, I started with my 81 924, and ended the season in the 83 944. The 944 hadled much better as I had updated the suspension, I am using the same suspension for the 80 931 shell, but hope to upgrade the front springs before the season starts as I am hoping it will help with my diving into the corners problem when triing to make too sharp a turn. I realize this is because my braking points are off. but once i have passed that point. I could use some help. The big thing that will hold me back from hitting some real racing this season, is funds for all the safety equipment. Helmet suit underwear fire saftey. And roll cage. I am hoping to have all this stuff gotten and installed so I can start working on my novice lisence before the season ends in hopes to start the following season as intermediate. at the least. It is all about time and money. Two things I don't have alot of yet. I did get contacted my a local guy who is working on a cage for his 944 to run in thelocal racing. I have a template for the roll bar and cross brace. But I am no metal fabrcator. And I recived these in a parts lot I got, and the steel tubing is wrong for the specs I have seen. But at least it is something to go off of, who ever made it knew what they were doing and the fits is near perfect, just need it to be correct and some stuff added to it. But if i can find a good bar or cage for a reasonable price. I will probally go that route.
Now knowing what the car is going to be set up like how will that effect me???
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[AndyFranklin]

[Mikri184]

Funny was reading through that today. Still need some help understanding how some of it works, but get the jist of it.
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[AndyFranklin]

[Mikri184]

I did see I would end oup running in a heavier class aot of people with better prepped cars and experience, but being a beginner what better place to start around the guys that have been at it awhile. I have been looking at the cars in the classes I would be running in locally and what kind of cars the guys are driving. I was think I was going to land into a gt class because of the engine mods. With the motor being stroked to 2.2 or better leaning more to thinking it is 2.3, and the expetrmely high compression ration mininum of 11:1. The header and carbs put me way over any factory class. So I can't acchive thepower out put of alot of the cars like a bug eye sprite with fiberglass and a ford 302, but if I spend my money wisely and I should be able to out handle one. Either way I am out to have a good time.And I don't have to win to do that. just not wreck
As for acid dipping the car, probally won't happen this year, maybe when the time is ready to paint the car next year once I have all my fiberglass componets.
What would be the benefit of welding up all the seems?
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[AndyFranklin]

Not acid dip - that's a no-no. The chemical stripping cleans to bare metal, removing all rust, paint, undercoating, soundproofing. I think "Readi-Strip" is a brand name of a franchise. The cost to do so is $400-$500.

The other alternative is to mechanically scrape, grind, burn, freeze, cajole, curse, plead, beg, do incantations or whatever else might be needed to get all that stuff off. My thinking is that it is a whole lot easier to do that to an empty shell than to retro-remove it later.

Welding the seams makes a huge increase in the stiffness of the unibody over the spot welds.

Your overbore might be an issue with any SCCA class, but the compression isn't. As an EP or GT3 there is no limit. As the FP it's limited to 10.5:1. And if you go GT your ladyfriend can go crazy with the composites (and will have to to get down to the minimum weight!).

[jjadczak]

Hey Andy how is your car coming along? Will you be in a position to go to school this season? I hope we can see some pictures soon!

Right now FLAG Motorsports is in a holding pattern until we get our finances figured out for '05. Were really excited to be going to SCCA ITB and hope to attend some races in a few months.

Last season was very educational and expensive for a couple of guys who don't have a lot of disposible income. We built a second car and a transporter at the same time.

Hey Andy, since you last saw the PORSCHE-IT we managed to get a coffee maker and cup dispenser in it so we don't have to go looking for coffee!! We finished painting the interior, added a couple more cabinets, painted the floor, added interior lights.

You should have seen what we did with the generator! We mounted the generator underneath the body. We took apart the controls of the generator and relocated them on the wall and rewired everything so that you can be in the truck and turn on the generator without going underneath. Since the fuel tank for the generator was located in the frame that came with the generator, we were concerned that we would have to climb underneath to re-fill the tank. Not any more! We drilled a four inch hole in the floor of the truck so all we need to do is pull the plug out of the floor and reach in to unscrew the cap to the fuel tank that's located right below the floor. Awesome!!!!

Future plans for PORSCHE-IT include bumping up the roof in the middle of the truck (6 in higher and 6ftx6ft "sky" roof) so that both cars fit without having to take off the rear hatch to load and unload the cars, installing seating in the front, installing running water, sink, a holding tank for water, toilet, more storage bins in the floor to store gear, possibly a bed up front over the cab and open the front cab and the wall seperating the back of the truck to allow more than three people to travel in the truck thus eliminating the need to have another vehicle.

We may submit some pictures and an accompanying article to Grassroots Motorsports, or Monster Nation.

Yep you guessed it I am really excited and itchy to go racing again.
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#53 Porsche 924 (sold '06)
#35 Porsche 924 (R.I.P. '06)
#141 Porsche 944 944 Cup
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