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Mars478
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 Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:25 am Post subject: 944 Price opinion. |
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Hi guys, since I consider this board the most knowledgeable of all the other boards dealing with water cooled, front engined and rear transaxle'd Porsches I thought I would post my question here.
I recently found a 1987 944 on Craigslist that I went up to Connecticut to check out. It is painted a great shade of blue, metallic but not tacky. It has "trashcan" style wheels, and the body is clean apart from a pretty large dent on a fender that apparently happened the day before I went and saw it. It has 87k miles, all the gauges work, it sounds good, pulls good, brakes could use some work but not really concerned with that. Interior is basically mint apart from a cracked dash. He was asking 3 grand for it and I got him down to 2600. Basically all this car needs to look really great (as in, at five feet away it may as well be a perfect paint job) is the fender dent being fixed.
Do you guys think this is a reasonable price for this car? The repaint unfortunately is not the kind where it has been been painted in the engine bay, the engine bay is a very dark shade of blue nearly black. Options code wise it has nearly no relevant options. Front shocks are yellow, but could not tell what brand. Rear shocks are KYB's.
Opinions are very appreciated. Thanks guys.
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Rasta Monsta
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:38 am Post subject: |
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Non-S, right? Could be a great deal, or you could have to spend double the asking price on maintenance. Difficult to tell unless you know the timing belt history and have inspected the clutch.
Good rule of thumb on a 2.5 is to buy the most expensive one you can afford, unless you are prepared to spend a chunk of change and a chunk of time getting it mechanically up to par.
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Mars478
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| Rasta Monsta wrote: | Non-S, right? Could be a great deal, or you could have to spend double the asking price on maintenance. Difficult to tell unless you know the timing belt history and have inspected the clutch.
Good rule of thumb on a 2.5 is to buy the most expensive one you can afford, unless you are prepared to spend a chunk of change and a chunk of time getting it mechanically up to par. |
Correct, Non-S. Clutch bites and feels good. Unfortunately Timing belt is unknown but that would be the first and most urgent thing I did to the car. I drove the car and it felt great. Stiff and very little body roll.
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Rasta Monsta
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:51 am Post subject: |
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Clutch will "feel good" up until the day it fails. If you can get under it, disc wear can be checked by measuring the position of the clutch arm relative to the window.
So, worst case scenario is $1000 in parts for FOES, and $700 for the clutch, if you do it yourself.
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Mars478
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| Rasta Monsta wrote: | Clutch will "feel good" up until the day it fails. If you can get under it, disc wear can be checked by measuring the position of the clutch arm relative to the window.
So, worst case scenario is $1000 in parts for FOES, and $700 for the clutch, if you do it yourself. |
Regarding the clutch I feel a little differently about it. My friend has one which the clutch is desperately going and you can definitely "feel it" going. It doesn't feel good by any measure.
That doesn't sound that bad... I've done the FOES on my friend's not that bad. Clutch is a different story all together though. I'll see if I can inspect it. Any tips on what to look for?
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Rasta Monsta
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:22 am Post subject: |
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| Mars478 wrote: | | Any tips on what to look for? |
Courtesy of Clark Fletcher.
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CorsePerVita
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| Rasta Monsta wrote: | | Mars478 wrote: | | Any tips on what to look for? |
Courtesy of Clark Fletcher. |
Yeah pretty much you want to see it about there. When the clutch disc wears and the disc ends up being thinner it will force the slave closer to the wall. I've made a terribly drawn mspaint demonstration in case anyone is interested in "why" it moves closer to the slave.
Good as I can do it in mspaint.
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jason c
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| $2600 isn't bad, but as rasta said it dependson what you have to put in it. How many miles? It wouldn't hurt to to a compression test, measure the clutch thickness and check the consumables over well before you buy. The yellow struts are konis unless they've been painted. The dark blue is "Copenhagen blau". Post some pics and the option codes if you can. There's a sticker in the owners manual and in the hatch next the the right side taillight. |
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Mars478
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:17 am Post subject: |
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87k miles with working gauges.
The color is not original. The repaint is an 8/10. It is a brighter blue than standard. I think on the market it devalues the car but I really love the color so it's a plus for me.
It has no interesting features, I checked the option code. Basically standard equipment.
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nickthompson
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| How bad FOES is depends on who you ask. I've heard everything from worst to peice of cake. It can't be as difficult as a 2.2 Ecotech timing chain replacement. |
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jason c
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| Mars478 wrote: | 87k miles with working gauges.
The color is not original. The repaint is an 8/10. It is a brighter blue than standard. I think on the market it devalues the car but I really love the color so it's a plus for me.
It has no interesting features, I checked the option code. Basically standard equipment. |
If the interior is in good shape and the maintenance hasn't been neglected, its a fair deal. Most of the sub $2500 944s' you see are trashed. Look it over well, see what it needs, price the parts and decide if you're willing to put the money in it.
BTW, Copenhagen blue looks dark when its dirty (as in under the hood) and at night- almost black. It appears a medium to slightly darker than medium blue in the light.
Do you have any color codes as to what it was painted? |
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jason c
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| nickthompson wrote: | | How bad FOES is depends on who you ask. I've heard everything from worst to peice of cake. It can't be as difficult as a 2.2 Ecotech timing chain replacement. |
Its hard to explain the difficulty because skill is the major factor. Its not as easy as the 924 but not as hard as some people make it out to be either. Its very important to get the belt tension correct, this seems to be the hardest part for the newb to figure out. They make a tension gauge but its expensive. |
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Mars478
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Jason C, Interior is in near mint condition apart from cracked dash which does not bother me (I'll be fixing it). FOES is no big deal for me I've done it and it's pretty simple. Harder than the 924 but not that hard.
The original color may be that. Here is a picture of the way it is painted now (sans the dent in the fender).
I am a big fan of the wheels. Unfortunately yes that is a sticker Porsche badge, but I will be ditching that ASAP.
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jason c
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Looks good. That blue is definetly lighter than Copenhagen. You can expect to have to do all the routine maintenance stuff anyway at some point, might as well get the important stuff out of the way and have it safe to itself and reliable.
Looks like a pretty good find. |
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Mars478
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:08 am Post subject: |
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I bought the car. Will keep everyone updated.
My 924 will always have a special place in my heart as the car that introduced me to fun cars and inspired me to make this purchase.
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