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[asalmona]

i know porsche doesnt provide this, but for you guys who have the manual set like myself, would you be interested in dividing up the work and we all scan in out manuals and creat them into a pdf version like some people have done with the 944 manual? i would love to be able to just look up a page and the print the pages for the particualr job i was gonna do that day...

just a thought,
Alex

[ltgland]

I need it!

microfiche is not an option, where the hell am I gonna put a fiche reader (dont answer!!!)

manuals are far too expensive, and also no freaking space!

[friskynibbles]

i got my manuals today
very very useful, and that PET CD is better than i thought too.
if somebody were to email me and ask me to burn them a copy of that PET CD, i could probably do that for the cost of the disk and shipping to their location. it has parts numbers for your car and many other porsches...

[dwak]

Are you guys suicidal? If Gohim finds out about this you'll be in the internet slammer faster than you can say 924.
dwak

[coconutcowboy]

I would like a scanned pdf version of the Porsche mauals including the turbo version. Also can you get me a copy of the scanned 944 manual.

email me at coconutcowboy@hotmail.com or reply to post.

[friskynibbles]

i will check into the cost of photocopying the manual i have. i will post that price to the list and anyone interested can then contact me to get the set at cost & shipping and i'll burn a copy of the PET cd for it also.
#### the e-cops.

[gohim]

Since this is a new topic, I am going to post my opinion on illegal, unauthorized, copying of copyrighted materials.

The Porsche Factory printed Workshop Service Manuals and Porsche PET Cd are copyrighted materials (the Intellectual Property of Porsche AG).

The copying of copyrighted materials is illegal without the permission of the author, or owners of the copyright.

Using this Message Board to sell, offer to purchase, advertise for sale, or distribute unauthorized, illegal copies of copyrighted materials places the owner/operator/s of the message board at legal risk for civil, and criminal legal action.

The parties selling, distributing, or receiving the unauthorized materials would also be at civil and criminal risk.

You expect to get paid when you go to work, and the legitimate owners or rights owners of intellectual properties (as the Workshop Service Manuals and PET Cd would be classified) are entitled to the same expectation.

The author of an Intellectual Property is automatically granted a copyright at the time that the material is developed. A formal copyright submission is not required for the author to have legal control of his work/s.

Porsche offers Workshop Service Manuals for all of the cars that it has produced in printed form, and on microfiche. There is no reasonable excuse to illegally copy the Workshop Service manuals.

If you can't afford the printed version, you can purchase the microfiche version, and a used microfiche reader for $10-$20 at most swapmeets. Used microfiche viewers don't take up much room. If you can't afford a $10-$20 for a used microfiche reader, most libraries have microfiche readers, and you could take your microfiche to the library and use theirs.

PET Cds are harder to come by, but there still isn't any excuse for the purchasing, selling, and distributing unauthorized, illegal copies.

GROW UP GUYS. The copying and selling of these materials is the same as any other theft. You don't expect to be allowed to go into any store, (car parts, or other), and walk out without paying. Not unless you are planning on a stay at the "gray bar hotel" (jail or prison).

You expect Porsche to supply parts for your car, and service when you can't complete a service or maintenance operation don't you?

Then you should expect Porsche to charge you for services rendered, whether it is parts for your car, or the information that you may need to repair your car (documenting and publishing the information is a service, same as changing your oil).


[ This Message was edited by: gohim on 2002-06-07 11:02 ]

[Rick MacLaren]

I hear you Gohim, and that's why nobody here sells PET CD's. I think you're making a valid case, and we're all forewarned that selling these things could result in criminal prosecution. Thank God I didn't sell any or distribute them!

Whew!

Anyways, you know, I've looked over the PET CD extensively, and there is no copyright notice anywhere on the CD. Did you find a copyright notice on your PET CD?

I wonder too...does having more PET CD's out there SELL MORE PORSCHE PARTS or result in financial loss for Porsche?

Hmmm...anyways.

I work in the commercial software industry. In our industry, here's how we'd protect our software. So I'm gonna scour these PET CD's to find out where they've copyrighted the material:

Copyright © 1989–2002 Company, Inc. Portions copyright © 2001–2002 Company Inc. All rights reserved.
No part of this publication may be reproduced, transmitted, or translated in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, manual, optical, or otherwise, without the prior written permission of Company Inc. Company Inc. is a subsidiary of BigAssCompany Inc.
Copyright © 1997–2000 Company Corp. Portions are Copyright © 1997–1998, Consensus BigAssCompany Corporation, a wholly owned subsidiary of EvEnBiggerAssed Corp. All rights reserved. Contains an implementation of NR signatures, licensed under U.S. patent 6,610,110. Protected by U.S. patents 7,777,082; 2,745,568; 2,222,325. Patents pending.
All other trademarks are property of their respective owners.
Last modified May 2002. Part number 34622194-01-083041-021.


[ This Message was edited by: Rick MacLaren on 2002-06-07 04:18 ]

[ltgland]

doesnt a copyright run out after {n} amount of years? The pharacoms loose there drug copyrights after {n} years, and thus generics come out. I assume print is the same. Certainly music copyright runs out after {n} years.

[ltgland]

Gohim, you know the most about this.

what is the statute of limitations on printed copyright in the US, Germany, and the UK?

[gohim]

Original PET Cds have a copyright notice on them.

I have seen them at the Porsche Dealership, but I have been unable to purchase one in the past year that I have been seriously looking for one to buy, even from an authorized Porsche Dealer (they won't even sell me an old one).

The unauthorized, illegal copies do not have the copyright notice.

I have contacted numerous Sellers on eBay, who have all taken to making illegal copies, selling them to unsuspecting Buyers.

Some people think that by removing the copyright notice, the original owner's rights are removed, and some people that buy the illegal copies think that what they are doing is prefectly legal, because they did/could not find the copyright notice on the disc that they received.

Genuine Porsche PET Cds have professionally done labels, not paper labels printed on an inkjet printer stuck on the top of a CDRW, or CDR Disc.

Ignorance is not bliss. Receiving stolen property whether material, or intellectual, is a crime, the same as stealing the property.



[ This Message was edited by: gohim on 2002-06-07 11:08 ]

[ltgland]

beat ya!

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/cc/pr.html

http://insight.mcmaster.ca/org/efc/pages/law/canada/canada.C-42.sect.html

http://www.author.co.uk/copyright.htm

[ltgland]

if ya want, I will email Porsche and ask them nicely to put the manual on CD.
If a few more people do... well we may have a solution.
isnt the 356 manaul on cd?

[Smoothie]

[Rick MacLaren]

If Porsche AG does not sell them, as Gohim says, then they have lost nothing by users using them. If Porsche AG does, indeed, sell them, then why can't he buy them? Seems to me something in that story is severely amiss. The facts as presented do not add up. Either they sell them, and have lost money by unauthorized copies, or they do not sell them, and have not lost anything by unauthorized copies.

If there is no loss or injury, there is no tort. PET CD was not a commercial software product, hence, I submit, there was no tort. That is why Gohim cannot buy one, and that is why PAG does nothing about their distribution.

[ This Message was edited by: Rick MacLaren on 2002-06-07 07:02 ]