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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:38 am    Post subject: low charging Reply with quote

this topic has been here many times, but i coudn't find anything that would help me..

the batery in my 924 is charged just about 12,8 - 13,2V. I have the alternator checked and it is charging 14,2V. The regulator is new, now I bought a new battery and it didn't help eighter. The ground is good as well. What can be still wrong?

Weird thing is, that when it was charging less than 12V (before replacing the regulator) the charging battery light never turned on. It lights just when I turn the ignition on, but that's it...

Erik

(sorry for my bad english)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mine charges at 13.2V max... The alternator has been rebuilt last year and the battery + wiring is new too.

Only think I can think of is the regulator. I've recently read about a replacement regulator which has a higher output.... could be my problem.

Don't know what's normal and what's not... but I'd like more output
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i see i'm not alone..

i was thinking if cound't be something wrong with the starter...

my alternator is also rebuilt and it was tested with a new regulator and it was giving 14,2V. but on the battery is just 13V. it's disappearing somewhere
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I gather you are bench testing the alternator at 14.2V?
On the car you will lose charging if the earth on the alternator is not good.
These are rubber mounted to the motor and need an earth strap or cable to the body of the alt and the motor or chassis.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ozzie wrote:
I gather you are bench testing the alternator at 14.2V?
On the car you will lose charging if the earth on the alternator is not good.
These are rubber mounted to the motor and need an earth strap or cable to the body of the alt and the motor or chassis.


i tried it already with extra ground cable, but sadly it didn't change anything..
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are you taking the readings with?
My car voltmeter only says 13V too but the multimeter says nearly 14V.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

with a multimeter. the car voltmeter says about 12V when it is charging 13V..
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my 924s always charged and still do charge around 13.2 - 13.6

this is enough for the electrics it has..wich is none i'm kidding. the blue one has power mirrors and a stereo added to the standard...the red one has nothing but anyway...the battery never died and spins the engines as it did the first day i bought it two years ago.

when i turn on the lights the voltmeter drops to around 12V but that never scared me i think this is what they should charge.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in czech republic we have to drive with lights on all the time. when i turn them on it is garging just about 13V sometimes less. it's not enought. i was driving porsche for whole weekend and i am lucky i got home. now when i want to start it, it will not. the battery is dead.

i'm a little suspcicous that when the engine gets hot it's charging less than when i just start it.

i want to put a heated seats in the car, so i want to charge it properly..
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it is not a charging issue you have, if you read 13 Volts even with the lights on, that is just great! I guess you are loosing power somewhere, a stuck relais, some light that shines inside your trunk or in the glovecompartment.......Try to load your battery completly measure the voltage on the poles, let it sit for a day and re-measure.If you have a significant diffrence then your system is leaking somewhere.
try then the " Pull the fuses-on-by-one system". If that doesnt work check the relais and the attached fuses.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

last night when i arrieved with the car home, i turned off the engine a tried to started again and it seemed like the battery is dead. today, the engine started... weird. with cold engine it was charging 13,5V and after an hour of driving just 12,3V.
I will try if it is "leaking" somehere as well, but it seems, it depends on the temperature of the engine.
is there any possibility, that the starter can cause the problem?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check that yellow cable wich is going from your battery to the starter and alternator.Check both ends for loose connection`s. remove dirt,dust and rust when you see it. Also good, cleaning of battery poles and cable `s connected to the battery. If you hear a clicking noise, thats the starter solenoid that is not getting enough power or is stuck because of to much heat applied to it. Missing starter-motor heat-shield ???
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm not sure how the starter-motor heat-shield look like. i will look..
i will try to clean the cables on the starter. the other ones i have cleaned already.

thank you all for helping
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if the car starts when cold and does not when hot its time to rebuild the starter motor...replace solenoid and bushings...and replace the wiring with a new one. then 13.6 will be enough.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the starter maybe will need a rebuilt, but it shoudn't affect the charging, should it? it was charging just about 12,3V when the engine was hot..
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