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skitzo 4 snow

Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 34 Location: maine
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:59 am Post subject: belts? |
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is there any tell tale signs that a timeing belt is going bad? the last owner did it when he got it and that was 4 yrs ago. also does anyone have pics of rear valance's on there car? i want to get one and havent seen any decent pics on how it looks. _________________ another project car...omg |
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Rasta Monsta

Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 11733 Location: PacNW
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:33 am Post subject: |
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The tell tale sign that your timing belt has been left for too long is an abruptly stopping motor and lots of bent valves. Four years means it's time to have it taken care of (Porsche service interval I believe is 3 years/36k miles, Gates says 45k).
Good luck with the project. If you decide to take care of it yourself, let us know how it goes. _________________ Toofah King Bad
- WeiBe (1987 924S 2.5t) - 931 S3
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skitzo 4 snow

Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 34 Location: maine
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:05 am Post subject: ty |
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ive gone to two dealerships and both r high. 1600 -- 2200 inc water pump. there is a bmw restorer near me and he wont even touch it.. and one of the dealerships backed down on doing it. so im stuck. its parked for winter untill i can figure something out. thank god i have my suv and celica all trac for winter.. hope its a long winter.. _________________ another project car...omg |
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Rasta Monsta

Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 11733 Location: PacNW
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:45 am Post subject: |
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Well, if you have time, you can buy the specialized tools, read up on the procedure, get some help, and take care of it yourself. _________________ Toofah King Bad
- WeiBe (1987 924S 2.5t) - 931 S3
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gohim
Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 4459 Location: Rialto, CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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If you are saying that you went to two authorized Porsche Dealerships, and they refused to perform the front of engine service, OR did you take the car to two independent repair shops, who prudently refused to attempt to perform a service that their mechanics did not have the tools to perform, or the experience?
All Porsche Factory Authorized Dealerships have mechanics who are trained and competent to perform this service, and none would refuse to take your money for the parts.
Genuine Porsche Parts purchased from a factory Authorized Porsche Dealership are not the same as those you would buy for less money from an aftermarket parts supplier. Factory Parts are higher quality, and carry a 2-year unlimited warranty. Labor supplied to install fatctory parts is also covered for 2 years. No parts or labor purchased anywhere else will come with this warranty.
$1600-$2200 is not an unreasonable sum to have this service performed an an authorized Porsche Dealership. In fact, this amount sounds low because the cost of all new factory parts will easily exceed $1000 at suggested retail prices for factory parts. The cost of labor should have been $1000-$1500 from a Factory Authorized Porsche Dealership.
The seemingly high price for Factory Service Parts is the reason that the aftermarket parts supply exists. You could probably buy non-original parts and a rebuilt waterpump for less than $800. The difference will be in the quality of the parts, and the warranty. Aftermarket parts include anywhere between no warranty, and 90-days warranty on the parts alone. When aftermarket parts fail, you are lucky if you get the parts replaced. Forget about recovering the cost of the labor, or the cost of repairing the engine damaged caused by the part/s failure. If you buy geniune Porsche Parts, the cost of the total repair, including repairing engine damage is covered by Porsche.
No BMW Restorer is going to have the tools, knowledge, or experience to perform this service procedure, unless he was a Porsche Mechanic in a previous life. There are specialized tools required which are only used on water cooled Porsche engines (944, 924S, 944S, 951, 968, 928, etc...). |
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skitzo 4 snow

Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 34 Location: maine
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject: belts |
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hard to beleve one dealership wont do it i know. i called them a couple times, sent emails and they wont return my call or anything. the other dealership will do it the only prob is that its almost 3 hrs away from me. the restorer used to work at a porsche and bmw dealership for 23 yrs, he has been helpfull, even checked my belts for free the other day. but now its parked. until i find a way to do this. thanks guys for the help _________________ another project car...omg |
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skitzo 4 snow

Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 34 Location: maine
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:30 am Post subject: yeaaa |
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ok. the dealership will take it now, they got an older porsche mec that is familiar with this car. well thats what they told me. its going in next monday they couldnt tell me when it will b done tho. how long should it take? he did say it might b a while. _________________ another project car...omg |
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Stu2j

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 1285 Location: Virginia Beach, VA
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:31 am Post subject: Re: belts |
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| skitzo 4 snow wrote: | | even checked my belts for free the other day. |
What did he say?
I don't subscribe to the 3 year dogma.. however, I do believe in getting the belts inspected and tension checked whenever it is in the shop for other maintenance (like mine is right now for engine mounts).
Good luck... _________________ -Stu
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sdelasal
Joined: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 20 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:56 am Post subject: belts |
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New to me 88 924s - very nice all around except belt changed 16000 miles ago in 2001 - so six years. Time to change them or a retension?
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Stu2j

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 1285 Location: Virginia Beach, VA
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:07 am Post subject: Re: belts |
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| sdelasal wrote: | | New to me 88 924s - very nice all around except belt changed 16000 miles ago in 2001 - so six years. Time to change them or a retension? |
You should plan to have the front engine service performed very soon.
For folks with "normal" driving habits, mileage is a great indication of when to replace .. 45,000 miles.. get er done. For folks like you and I, it is more difficult since it is simply a factor of time decay on a rubber part. Kinda like the tires which may need to be replaced for rot rather than actual wear at some point.
For folks who subject their cars to extremes (stored outside in very cold and/or very hot temperatures) the three year rule seems rather prudent. For those who garage the car in a moderate climate, the belt will almost certainly last much longer but six year is really starting to push it.
Just one man's opinion on the subject. _________________ -Stu
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skitzo 4 snow

Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 34 Location: maine
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:10 am Post subject: yeaaa |
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im thinking of them changing the head gasket. is there anything else i am missing? thanks gohim. ive read alot of youre posts. and u r verry helpfull to everyone. thanks for ans my post.. _________________ another project car...omg |
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Stu2j

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 1285 Location: Virginia Beach, VA
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:16 am Post subject: Re: yeaaa |
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| skitzo 4 snow wrote: | | im thinking of them changing the head gasket. |
Why? _________________ -Stu
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gohim
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: |
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Do you have an 87 924S with 90K to 120K miles on it, with an indication that the headgasket is leaking (one or more spark plugs that appear to be stem cleaned while the others look normal or oily, or bubbly oil scum in the coolant tank, or overheating)?
If so, then replacing the headgasket while the front of engine service is being performed would be a good idea.
If you have an 88 924S or a 87 924S with over 150K miles, or with service records that the headgasket was already replaced, and no tell tale symptoms, then I would not replace the headgasket as a precaution.
Replacing the headgasket while the front of engine service may turn up other things that need to repair replaced or repaired, as it is always a good idea to have the cylinder head inspected while it is off by a shop with technicians experienced in water-cooled Porsche cylinder head service.
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skitzo 4 snow

Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 34 Location: maine
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:33 pm Post subject: head gasket |
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checked the coolent and no scum or oil, pluggs look normal. it has 120000 miles on it. kept up good. most records, he spent 4 grand on the trans and suspension. ill show pics when i get my cam back. im prob gonna spend more on the front engine service than i bought the car for. but i love it. ty gohim _________________ another project car...omg |
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Stu2j

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 1285 Location: Virginia Beach, VA
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: head gasket |
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| skitzo 4 snow wrote: | | im prob gonna spend more on the front engine service than i bought the car for |
Kinda the ultimate 924 dilema isn't it? Ignore the service and if the belt breaks, you can part the car and grab another one and be about even
Wonder why they call em "enthusiasts"?  _________________ -Stu
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