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[shameone]

SLANDER IS HIGHLY ILLEGAL. SO IS HARASSMENT. SO IS HINDERING SOMEONE'S ABILITY TO SELL THEIR PERSONAL PROPERTY. IF AN INDIVIDUAL DOES NOT FEEL SOMETHING IS BEING REPRESENTED PROPERLY IN A SALE SITUATION, THEY SHOULD ASK THE SELLER TO CLARIFY ANY AREAS THAT THEY FEEL THEY NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT. I AS THE SELLER OF THE VEHICLE IN QUESTION HERE ON 924.ORG WOULD LIKE TO OFFER UP ONCE AGAIN THAT THE VEHICLE I AM SELLING IS NOT AN ACTUAL 924 CARRERA GT. I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER THAT THE CARRERA GT BODY WAS INSTALLED ON THE CAR BY PORSCHE IN 1979. AND YES THAT WOULD MAKE LITTLE SENSE SINCE THE CARRERA GT WAS NOT RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC UNTIL 1980, UNLESS THIS WAS A CUSTOM ONE-OFF JOB DONE BY PORSCHE AFTER THE CARRERA GT WAS UNVEILED AT THE FRANKFURT AUTO SHOW IN 1979. I DO NOT KNOW IF THAT IS THE CASE. IF I WERE TO KEEP THIS VEHICLE, I WOULD HAVE THE CARDEX REPORT DONE ON THE CAR FROM PORSCHE TO ASCERTAIN WETHER OR NOT THIS CAR HAS ANY RARE OR UNIQUE QUALITIES. UNTIL THEN IT IS ALL SPECULATION. AND IF SPECULATION IS FRAUDULENT, I BELIEVE ALL ARE GUILTY. AS IS THE CASE WITH ONE INDIVIDUAL ON THIS SITE WHO SEEMS HELL BENT ON SLANDERING MY NAME, HARASSING ME AND ANY POTENTIAL BUYERS I HAVE FOR MY VEHICLE, AND PREVENTING THE SALE OF THIS VEHICLE ALL BECAUSE HE IS ASSUMING (OR SPECULATING IF YOU PREFER) THAT I AM TRYING TO DECEIVE POTENTIAL BUYERS. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT ANY CONCERNED OR INTERESTED BIDDER OR BUYERS CONTACT ME THROUGH EBAY, OR POST FEEDBACK HERE AT 924.ORG.

SINCERELY,
JON ACKERSO

[TonyMechanic]

Must you yell?

[D Hook]

Hmmm....

[Paul T.]

Sir,

No one is trying to slander you, or any other nasty little words you may find appropriate. The fact of the matter is, you have the car listed in the heading title as "1979 Porsche: 924 Carrera GT Turbo". As we all know, through very common knowledge, that Porsche did not start manufacturing 924 Carrera GT's until 1980, naturally suspicion is raised. Perhaps you have a very special car in your possesion that requires more investigation. And before you start about the issue of slander and harrassment, you need to consider fraud. I'm not trying to start an argument with you, just pointing out the facts. The title under which you have the car listed may or may not be a fraudulent statement in its own right. "If" the car is as you say it is, then perhaps you should have some paperwork from the Porsche factory (www.porsche.com) stating so. Or perhaps even giving them the opportunity, which I'm sure would cost you nothing but your time, to give you the entire story on the vehicle in question as to its history as it left the factory. I.E., was it produced as a 924, 924S, 931, or whatever it was originally designated when it came off of the factory line. This would take you very little time and would save you a lot of time and anguish about the vehicle you have for sale. Perhaps you may even find out you have a very rare vehicle, or you may just have a cheap replica that someone put together to impress others. The bottom line is, you are committing false advertisement with the heading of your ad if you cannot substantiate and provide undeniable proof of what you are selling. I suggest you get your facts straight before an unsuspecting buyer makes a printout of your ad on ebay and challenges you to prove what you have. Nevermind what you state in your desciption, as usual its all up to "interpretation". But just remember, car dealers have to be very careful what they say about the vehicles they put up for sale, many of them have been sued because of what is seemingly one minor discrepancy. And please stop throwing around such harsh words about suing and court and all kinds of other "serious" words. All anybody expects is the truth, and in such a matter as selling a vehicle, you be expected to be able to prove what you have. Again, sir, I'm not trying to start an argument, I just wanted to state the facts to you. I sincerely hope you do some homework about the vehicle and find out that you do indeed have a rare Porsche, it definately would be worth a lot of money for you.

[shameone]

Thank you for the fair comments. I am debating ending the auciton early and obtaining the cardex report from Porsche of North America in order to clear up any misconceptions.

[D Hook]

Now isn't that just a woderful idea.

Nicely put Paul. Just the facts. When people put misleading info in ebay auctions, it only destroys the sellers credibility and causes consternation among buyers.

If you want to read up on just how rampant fraud is on ebay, go the the "community" section and go to the "Safe Harbour" forums. You'll see posts from people being ripped off for thousands of dollars by just this type of advertising and half-truths.

You do nothing but destroy your own credibility when you describe the vehicle the way you have. There's too many owners out there that will call you on it. As you've seen. I for one would be most appreciative if you WOULD end your auction before some novice makes the mistake that you're hoping they will. Then that person will be over here telling us he has a "Rare GT Carerra" and Dwak will have to burst his bubble.

Tell, you what, if you really want to sell it, I'll give you the email address for LarsO. Tell him it has a non-AMC Porsche engine in it. He'll jump all over THAT!

[Joes924]

Is there a picture...

[Joes924]

I found it[silver] very sharp car $15,000
I'd check with P. N. America & find out just what you have could be the deal._________________
Its my 924 ..and Ilove it ...and yes its getting faster/ 1979 924 Joe

[ This Message was edited by: Joes924 on 2002-03-02 14:22 ]

[JvGinPDX]

It is a very attractive car, fairly low milage too. If you would have represented the car for what it is, an attractive knockoff clone, no one would have accused you of fraud. In my opinion, a reasonable price premium due to the body work is reasonable. As long as the car is not misrepresented. Please advertise the car for what it is, rather than for what it is not.

[Zuffen]

To Jon Ackerson.

Check the front fenders where it bolts onto the car. back towards the windshield side of the fender. One of the two AIR or GT racing has a casting number and logo imprinted on the fenders.

It may also be possible to check the DOT sticker and see if there is info stating when it was imported, by who, and who did the DOT required modifications.

If it were a weird and rare one off Factory car, the car would be more valuable than your current price.

The engine code and serial number is placed on the block on the drivers side towards the rear of the engine where the bellhousing mates to the block there is a machined semit vertical strip just even with the crankcase vent. Look there and post here or too me and I'll tell you what the engine is.

Also check the pasenger side strut tower ing as the chassis number should be stamped there.

I'm certain you have a Euro car and without further inspection I can't offer any other Sherlock Holmes observations.

I trust Vince to have inspected the car throughly before you purchased the car from the previous owner. He has the best opinion as to wha tyou have at this point.

_________________
Bob Dodd - 924turbo@cox.net
931 1982, 944 1982 euro, 924S 1988SE, 93 968 tip 06 Silver Cayenne S, 06 Black Cayenne S

I have Way too many cars, parts for the 931,944 and 951

[Vince Ponz]

I saw this car at a station on Union Tpke and Lakeville Road last year. Of course I would have bought the car on the spot is I thought it was real. Other than the different fenders and the recessed windshield the car was not in good shape as was my 79 931 and if the PO wanted 5000 then my car is worth 10,000. I questioned Jim Pasha about the car before and immediately after I viewed the car. His opinion was that it was not real. The PO did not know I owned a 931 #1715 and when I questioned the discrepancies he said he bought the car from his brother and did not know much about the car and that really no one knows much about the 931s in general. To me being I was a interested party did not like the answers I got. NO intercooler? Tree hit the car?? funny the fenders and the hood looked good to me and no damage visible to me at the time.
The car was not pleasant to look at with cracks in the fiberglass. Even if you redid all the parts over and painted it you still have a plain jane 931 although a very early car. I checked the vin on the fender being the 79s did not have a vin on the A pillar.
Shameone do not feel bad. You may have been taken and we are trying to avoid our friends from the same thing.
Now if you can prove that you have the real thing, we will have to apoligize. Remember this is our opinion and until you can prove what you write that it is real we will continue to call it a fake in our opinion. You see we know a LITTLE about 931s.
Let us know, really because we want it to be real. Trust me that I want to tell all the guys that I missed the real thing. Your PO fooled Sonny too if you know who he is.

[stang]

It is a sharp car.

[Mike77]

Here's a little story that might encourage the owner of the now infamous 924 on ebay to do some more research, and help the rest of us to keep an open mind. A few years ago in my pre Porsche days, I was into old Mustangs. A co-worker told me about a 67 coupe that was for sale and that it had a badge on it that said "High Country Special". I told him it must be a fake because they did not make that limited edition model till 68. Even the Mustang books at that time claimed that the HCS came out in 68. I looked at the car, and it did have the badges, but many other HCS features were missing. I passed up buying it for $700, but it sparked the curiosity of another friend and he bought it. He did some research through Ford and found that it was indeed real and that it was a very rare "watered-down" precurser to the much desired 68 HCS. He also found that it was the only one in existence east of the Mississippi. It underwent a total restoration and was featured in Mustang Monthly Magazine. He later sold it for a nice profit. I would defintely get the kardex info on that 924 if I was the seller. It could result in a higher selling price, or save alot of abuse.

Mik