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Does anyone have a straight-from-behind shot of the Carrera GT or GTS? I've never seen one, and I'm really curious how they look from back there.

[924RACR]

Ah, you have a rear-end fixation, sounds like...

Check out the pics at the end of this page, of Scotty's Carrera GT:
http://www.924.org/models/CarreraGT.htm

There's one pic of the rear of Scotty's car, and you can see it's got the Euro bumper (since it was a Euro car), and the larger rear spoiler that ended up on the 944 as stock. In fact, I think the 944 parts listing explicity references a 937 part #, as it was just carryover. Likewise, the front fenders are basically 944 in shape (though they're plastic, not fiberglass or steel).

I always get confused on styling of the GTS, but I believe it's similar in the rear at least. Scotty's got a whole mess of photos and stuff I eventually have to scan in, just need to get and plug in a scanner, then spend a week scanning much old stuff...

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Thanks Vaughan. As far as I know the GT/GTS are identical body-wise, except of course for the headlights.

[Zuffen]

the front under bumper panel is supposed to be different, more 951 like

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Oops, looks like you're right. Actually, it looks identical except it has two extra holes, where I suppose it gets air for the intercooler.

[Gregsy14]

Carrera gt's have their own rear spoiler and bumper.

The spoiler is similar but has a textured finished instead of the smooth finish on the 944.

The rear bumper is also more prominant than a euro bumper.

The GTS has slightly wider arches but only very slightly it hardly noticable but they come up about a cm or two higher on the body work at the rear. Plexiglass rear window. Door windows are different also. Lighter doors and bonnet. Lightweight plain black buckets interior no rear seat.

[924 turbo]

Wow, I never noticed the larger rear arches, but looking at pictures, you're absolutely right.

[Gregsy14]

The front fenders are slightly wider too.

[John H]

The GTS has fixed side windows - not wind up the read portion slides forward. Headlights are fixed in posiiton and have clear covers. Body flares are the same as the GT.
The GTR has the really wide body - big flares at the front and even bigger at the rear. The rear flares start at the back of the door and continue to the rear of the car looking from the back there is a gap of about 6 inches between the body and the flare.
I have a set of GTR rear flares at home I've never fitted to my GT replica and also a one piece front of a GTR again yet to be fitted. These are due to be fitted to my new race car later this year.

[Gregsy14]

John H,

The GTS does have wider fenders and rear arches, I have a back issue of 911 and porsche world, article titled "rare breeds" about a guy who owns both a GT and GTS with photos taken to show the difference.

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[ This Message was edited by: gregsy14 on 2002-02-19 09:31 ]

[John H]

You could be right - but according to the info I had from various sources the GT is 1735 mm wide and the GTS is either the same or 1745 (http://home.t-online.de/home/kkother/gts.htm)- a difference of 10 mm (1/2 inch) doubt whether this would show up in a photo.
Not worth to much discussion on how wide - the GTS are rare beasts and without a doubt no two would be the same.

[Mark CSC]

GTS although could be GTR

big pic
GTP
here
taken by Obin

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http://www.geocities.com/eturbo924/Limerock4.html

check out these from limerock this summer

[924RACR]

OK, time for a clarification on GTR bodywork - Scotty's been beating on me to straighten this up for a while, so about time I did. He has a whole mess of photos that I need to get organized on and scan in to illustrate. Take notes:

The GTR, as originally delivered to customers, had "tack-on" looking fenders front and rear. This is the body package commonly mistaken for the "rally" bodywork, since the most-often viewed photo of this is that one green rally car. This picture can be seen at:
http://www.us.porsche.com/english/unlimited/moty/gallery.htm - scroll down to May 2000, category Rally Cars.
The appearance, as you'll eventually see as I scan in more photos, is not dissimilar in style to the bodywork on current DTM touring cars.

Various bodywork packages were then developed to replace these small tack-on flares. Some cars had complete replacement front fenders, resembling D-Prod cars or 944 fenders, with the small rear tack-on flares. These wider front fenders also had matching front spoilers to fit.

Two complete nose pieces were developed; one, known as a Trans-Am nose, had a removeable hood (separate piece). This corresponded with what are referred to as "boxed" rear fenders, as described in a previous post - complete coverage of the rear quarter panel below the fuel filler, all the way up to the rear edge of the door, and open at the back (like a 935).

The LeMans nose, by contrast, was a single piece, requiring the removal of the complete nose piece to access the engine. It was very smooth, lacking much of the earlier defining body creases. It went with boxed rear quarters similar to the Trans-Am rear quarters, except for the width.

Rims used were up to 11.25" wide. Diameter I believe was 16", not 100% on that.

The hood scoops varied; they were all the same type (as first seen on the GT), but a few cars had the scoop on the left side of the hood (as opposed to the usual right-hand-side placement). Some cars were also run with the scoops on backward, presumably in an effort to help cool underhood. I've also seen photos of some cars running with the rear of the hood raised, as might be done for a cowl-induction setup, except who knows the true purpose. Can't tell from photos.

As for interior, the dash used in the GTR was not like those in the street cars. Some elements of the stock interior, like the dash vents for defrost and heat, were used, but the shape was totally different - more square. Hope to eventually have a picture. Boost gauge was big, and directly behind the steering wheel, as befits a turbo racecar! Who cares what the revs are, we've got a rev limiter, just keep it in the boost!!!

Hope that helps clarify some of it for you guys... I promise I eventually will lock myself in the house for 24hrs chained to a scanner and get this stuff loaded...


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'82 931 Plat. Silver
#25 Hidari Firefly P2 sports prototype

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Vaughan, your efforts are greatly appreciated!