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skemcin
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 Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:30 am Post subject: 924 History Question |
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Would anybody be able to confirm the suspicion that VW backed out of the 924 project due to teh failure of the VW SP2 in Brazil? just curious to find out if there is a relationship between the two or just a coincidence. Looking at the SP2, one could (if you wanted to) see some 924 characteristics.
re: http://www.biavilela.com/vwsp2/English/index-english.htm
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timstar92404
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:46 am Post subject: |
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looks pretty cool, kind of looks like an american muscle car to me.
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seanski44
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:31 am Post subject: |
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bizzarre 911 styling on the rear lights!
never seen this car before - not sure how much of an impact it had on VW's fortunes, but VW pulled out of the 924 due to lack of finances I believe, so its conceivable that the two are linked!
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Cedric
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:39 am Post subject: |
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I read that VW were scared away by the oil crisis, they thougth it would be impossible to sell a sports cars at that time.
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StienbargerR
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Wow, that car is interesting. It looks similar to alot of Porsches, especially in the back. Honestly, If I didnt know anything about 924 and the sp-2, I would probably say that the sp-2 was the porsche. lol.
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moone924
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:42 am Post subject: |
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From Wikipedia....
| Quote: | | Due to growing concern over the oil crisis, Volkswagen put the project on hold, eventually dumping it entirely after their decision to move forward with the Quattro Coupe model instead. Porsche, who needed a model to replace the 914, made a deal with Volkswagen leadership, agreeing to buy the design for 100 million DM. The deal specified that the car would be built at the ex-NSU factory in Neckarsulm located north of the Porsche headquarters in Stuttgart, the Volkswagen employees would do the actual production line work and that Porsche would own the design. It became one of Porsche's best-selling models to date, and the relative cheapness of building the car made it both profitable and fairly easy to Porsche to finance. |
I also heard the reason the car was made at the NSU factory was to keep the town of Neckarsulm employed.
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dpw928
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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The SP2 looks like a derivative of the VW 412 whereas the 924 project was designated EA-425 by VW. BTW guess where the Porsche 356 number came from?
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moone924
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There's a picture of the pan assembly on one of those gallery shots, looks like a ghia pan, with ball joint front beam. The 411/412 was more similar to the type 3 pan and beam.
Indeed the headlights and other parts remind me of the 411/412, but I am wondering if it wasn't the production answer to the Puma.
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skemcin
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| moone924 wrote: | There's a picture of the pan assembly on one of those gallery shots, looks like a ghia pan, with ball joint front beam. The 411/412 was more similar to the type 3 pan and beam.
Indeed the headlights and other parts remind me of the 411/412, but I am wondering if it wasn't the production answer to the Puma. |
It was intended to compete with the Puma. The Puma won due to its lighter fiberglass body - even though both shared a VW powertrain. I, too, heard that VW pull out of the 924 more due to their lack of faith in their ability to sell the car. This, indirectly, was due to the oil crisis - fewer people buying cars, especially sports cars. But, that is, ironically, what made the 924 so successful - a fuel efficient 2+2 sports car. I get 28 mpg with mine.
Anyway, I found it to be a rather curious finding. If anything, the folks at Volkswagon probably felt releaved (prematurely) to pull from the 924 project once the SP-2 flopped.
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Stampedetrail
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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It looks strikingly similar from certain angles, and I KNOW that's the 924 door lever. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some consultation going on back in '71 with Porsche.
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5150
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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If anything I'd say they look more like a fore-runner to the VW Scirocco.
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seanski44
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| 5150 wrote: | | If anything I'd say they look more like a fore-runner to the VW Scirocco. |
that'd make sense, though the scirocco was pretty much VW's reply to the 924...
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moone924
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:26 am Post subject: |
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Production of the Scirocco started in 1974 ... it probably predates the 924.
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seanski44
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| moone924 wrote: | | Production of the Scirocco started in 1974 ... it probably predates the 924. |
my mistake - is bizzare though that the scirocco came out at all as VW had cancelled their involvement in the 924 - didn't seem to want to be involved in a sports car.
I still think that they decided they'd made a mistake with not going with the 924 and the scirocco's success is testimony to that...
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Rukh
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:44 am Post subject: |
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Apparently VW already had plans to put the Scirocco into production, concurrent with the 924. The replacement for the 924 was actually the Audi Quattro Coupe, and we all know how well that turned out. I got this info from a book I read, that had interviews with Tony Lapine and Earnst Fuhrmann.
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