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Keaton  



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:07 pm    Post subject: superchargers and intercoolers Reply with quote

ok so what works better a "root" style or a "screw"? dont the screw type spin inwards and the root spin outwards, right, wrong, 50/50?

what about using a intercooler, how hot do the air temps get on a blower? and using an air-to-air- then into an air-to-water.

the average air temp were i live in around 110F for 6+ months.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Screw-type is more efficient and the most efficient one is twin-screw type, Lysholm found on Mazda Xedos/Eunos Miller cycle engines. Intercooler is a good thing especially when supercharging N/A pistons and head.
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Keaton  



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well i was thinking of puting a 931 head with out changing the pistons to get a really low compression so i can run 12-14+ psi
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keaton wrote:
well i was thinking of puting a 931 head with out changing the pistons to get a really low compression so i can run 12-14+ psi


8.5:1 NA pistons + 931 head = 6.5:1 compression

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should buy corky bells "supercharged" this will answer all your questions and give you a few ideas on setups...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Keaton  



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

endwrench wrote:
8.5:1 NA pistons + 931 head = 6.5:1 compression

thats a LOW compression, is it too low for high boost levels 1-1.5 bar
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is low compression - your off idle power/acceleration would be terrible. Way way to low - you would end up with basically an all turbo car - sucks under any other condition but boost- unless you built it so that you could have boost all the time - would royally suck!

Solution is either more compression - or boost off idle - which could be had with a supercharger - for off idle spool up then use a turbo for rest of the boost - you could gear the supercharger for boost off idle (roots or screw offer the easiest arrangement).

Something like the SC12 or SC14 units off a toyota - mated to a turbo system - clutch pulley to disengage the sc (already part of the setup) and a simple one way valve.

Eaton M62 off Mercedes units also feature this arrangement - of course you would need a cooler - to cool charge - roots and screw units do add heat - so feed to an IC then to intake.

This also would allow a much larger turbo to be used - for the boost range you are discussing.

You could also do the same thing with both a roots and Centrifugal- like a procharger - good for up to 30+ psi - problem - is space for a second supercharger.

One + turbo simple and effective - more so than it sounds.

Otherwise bump up compression and run whatever makees you happy for boost - keep in mind a roots or screw type - is only good for about 1 bar - with out serious risk of failure - most are not recommended to run over 12.

Centrifugal - depends on the unit and bearings it was built with - a unit capable of over 1 bar like the procharger unit - will be very very expensive.

Better off with a turbo for that kind of boost -

Even better if the engine is up to loads and the driveline - how you get those boost levels is up to you -

6.5:1 + 1.5 bar vs. 7.5:1 + 1.5 bar more power at 7.5:1 of course stress raises as compression or boost increases.


Keaton wrote:
endwrench wrote:
8.5:1 NA pistons + 931 head = 6.5:1 compression

thats a LOW compression, is it too low for high boost levels 1-1.5 bar
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