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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for sharing, Cedric, good stuff!
| Quote: | Slide 18: Water injection into the inlet manifold shows significant potential due to combination of decreased enrichment and improved combustion efficiency...
Slide 19: Conclusions- Nowadays, turbocharging allows a reduction of engine displacement by 25 – 33 % with comparable vehicle dynamics
- As a consequence, fuel consumption is reduced by approx. 20 % in NEDC
- Increased downsizing level can lead to negative effects in customer operating conditions at vehicles with high mass and drag coefficient in particular at high engine speeds
- Use of temperature resistant materials, cooled exhaust manifold and cooled EGR are able to reduce enrichment
- Knock tendency of the engine can not be improved
- Series production
- Water injection into the intake manifold offers high potential
- Prevention of enrichment
- Improved combustion
- No series production
- Technologies which reduce the intake temperature offer a high potential to reduce fuel consumption in customer operating conditions.
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Carrera RSR

Joined: 08 Jan 2010 Posts: 2312 Location: Somerset, UK
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Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:07 am Post subject: |
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Hey Dan, any feedback on this water injection kit in use? Its been a while since fitting so we're all still here eating popcorn waiting for the film to start  _________________ 1980 931 - forged pistons, Piper cam, K27/26 3257 6.10 hybrid turbo, 951 FMIC, custom intake, Mittelmotor dizzy & cam pulley, H&S exhaust, GAZ Gold, Fuch'ed, Quaife
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Cedric

Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 2809 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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quote ideola:
"On the 941, I am running up to 15 psi of boost with no audible knock, and that is with 8.7:1 CR pistons, and the S1 ignition setup. I think 20-30 HP should be absolutely no problem, and probably quite a bit more. "
at 15 psi a bit over 200hp should be easy to reach. Even though water will delay/prolonge combustion, which will lower power a bit. Mappable ignition would probably be the thing to have to fully use water-meth injection, which I think is in the pipeline ideola.
More detailed results would be interesting, have had a lot of expenses myself so the car upgrades has been delayed for a while, so I cant buy a kit to find out myself. At least not until winter..
BTW, saab had it as an OEM option, raising the power from 145 to around 170 in combination with raised boost. And that was quite a crude system, pre compressor low pressure injection. Its not magic  _________________ 1980 924 Turbo
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:29 am Post subject: |
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I've dialed the boost back to 12PSI on the 941 just to be safe, particularly during these hot summer days. My long term plan is to install a knock sensor and programmable ignition, but that is not going to happen this season.
In the meantime, I continue to be very pleased with the affects of the water/meth kit. Combined with the in-cockpit boost controller and the associated boost increase, it really transforms the car. The difference between 6PSI and 10PSI is notable, and 12PSI provides near-937 performance (based on the butt-dyno).
I still have aspirations of getting all of the cars to the dyno this season, but if it happens it won't be until later this fall. So until then, I won't have any quantitative results to back up my impressions.
All that aside, for the money and effort spent on this setup (compared to the 937 and the Club Sport), I have absolutely no reservation stating that the $100 boost controller and $400 boost cooler setup is by far the biggest bang-for-the-buck enhancement for an otherwise stock 931. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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