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924RACR · Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:54 am Post subject:

1) Yes, ic was trying to make the point that you couldn't drive such a car without computer controls. I can see it'd be hard to imagine, but I know for a fact that it most certainly is very possible to do so.

I can understand you may not think cars with bigass motors, be they Corvette or Viper, could possibly handle worth a damn. LeMans results for both clearly show otherwise, as far as race-prepped varieties; likewise the very recent 'Ring time wars between Porsche, Nissan, Corvette and Viper speak further to the capabilities of the stock cars. And yes, you bet your ass those cars are showroom stock; I personally know the factory driver who set the Corvette time... and I know that there will be better lap times coming, by significant margins, if they ever get budget to return.

We spend a LOT of time on the racetrack engineering these cars (I mean the stock ones, of course). A lot. I have a second suit, HANS, and helmet - just for work. These cars are wonderfully dialed-in to any and all tracks, and there are countless reviews documenting the success of this practice.

These cars are not bricks, despite how so many (including Viper and Corvette guys themselves) use them instead of a ruler to prove the size of their manhood. Don't fall into the same trap; demonstrate that you have maturity greater than theirs and withhold judgment until you have your own personal experience to lean on.

I was lucky enough to also have the chance to drive an old Ferrari; Marsh's 308GTSi. I never liked 'em before I got behind the wheel of one; sexy as all hell, and panty-remover on 4 wheels, but I always thought they were overpriced etc etc... till I drove one. Now I have much more respect for them, and their owners, and I've learned that prejudices are just that, nothing more.

As far as applying the work experience and knowledge to our cars; I do, and wish I could more. However the decade+ of experience I have in these systems makes it clear to me that the best result is to train the driver. It truly takes thousands of dollars of time and resources to even put together something as "basic" as an ABS system, safely. Stability control would be ten times as much effort and cost. Sad, but true.

I love the systems, even though I don't desperately need them myself, I would gladly have one on any and all of my cars; it's a safety net, plain and simple. It wouldn't be in the way, but when you're driving in to work at the morning - you're just trying to get there and dodge all the other idiots who haven't even woken up yet, not set a new personal best.

Yes, I wish I could do more, and make our cars safer. As it is, all I can do is help provide advice, mainly in driving and setup, and encourage others to go out and learn/improve.
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924RACR · Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:58 am Post subject:

Correct, Viper took forever to even get ABS on-board... a very different engineering exercise than the Vette.

Forgot to mention, I did also get the opportunity a few summers ago to try out a 944 with a V8 (LS2 IIRC). Sadly only on the street, not the track... but I was very impressed by how well the chassis (admittedly, with a bunch of the usual bolt-on upgrades) handled the power. Clearly Porsche did a better job than we often realize with even the stock setup...
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Joes924Racer · Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:26 am Post subject:

Sure it looks really nice.. though to have a porsche like that is the beginning of the term the cats ass & with that coming into play requires the driver to adjust his driving habits..

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POORscheMAN · Joined: 08 Sep 2003 Posts: 104 Location: Norwich NY

If anyone actually read the article, the builder stated his intentions were to build a car that commanded respect, and that he didnt dare to take anywhere near the limit.
With those goals in mind, you could argue that 700+hp isnt enough.
Unless hes leaving 11's on the pavement in 6th gear he needs more boost!
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turbellion · Joined: 07 Dec 2008 Posts: 149 Location: traverse city mi

and lets not forget the point of this whole customized 944 thing. a Bored swede built a car that can probably whip the asses of cars in the $500,000 range, and i bet this guy has less than 20,000 into his. i wouldnt be surprised if he had less than 12,000. Even if he cant drive the car to its full glory, he sure as hell built it. overbuilt,maybe. but how many people in the world can say they have built the worlds fastest 944, only one. My guess is he is onto his next rediculous but beautiful project. I'd personally love to see what he could make of a wrecked audi 5000 quattro and a 63 ford anglia 105E! As for me i would rather drive a 200HP N/A 924 with some 951 suspension.

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morghen · Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 9095 Location: Romania

i'm only going to say this once....viper and vettes are NA engines that are linear in power delivery...this monster and all the other turbocharged monsters make no power until some RPM and then in a matter of 500RPM the torque,power skyrockets. I drove the 550HP viper and my impresion of it(other than it rattles and is poorly made) is that it pulls...but nowhere near a real turbo...

i've been around 800HP audi quattro, 700HP honda civic,600HP bmw,400HP vw polo, NOSed viper...etc etc.
They have problems starting on slicks...how the hell does this guy have no problems starting ?!?
Some of these guys i'm talking about have lost the control on a straight line ! and all of them are certified PILOTS !!
You guys have no ideea what a modified turbo monster means.

You cant compare a NA engine with a turbo engine.
If the guy does not want to drive it...then fine...its great ! but i'm VERY sure you have to be an experienced pilot with lots of hours spent in that car to be able to drive it fast.

I'll admit this tho....you can drive that car fast....ONCE !
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Fifty50Plus · Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:31 am Post subject:

I've had some track experience with Vipers, 911 Turbos, nitrous injected home brews and a 934. The 934 non computer assisted monster was the wickedest. Wheelspin whenever the boost hit. You always had to be pointed straight when that happened.

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Joes924Racer · Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:50 am Post subject:

Looks like he fabbed his own light buckets & covers /if you dwn ld
& zoom on the front end pic.
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joejax · Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:28 am Post subject:

Man, that is so sweet! Can't believe they squeezed that much HP out of the 5 banger. I'd like to have a 1/4 of that

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Sounds like alot of folks think the '44 can't handle the power, maybe the power to weight ratio is too great, thinking of US muscle cars with big HP but more weight and no electro gizmos too.

I guess they could have went to half the HP and it would be just as bad ass, I'd be worried about destroying the motor with 700 + HP.

Oh well, got to go change the sheets....

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Slam · Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:52 am Post subject:

We haven't really come that far from the schoolyard sandbox, have we?

I like that 944. I don't want anything similar for myself, but I certainly respect it.
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captainspaulding · Joined: 08 Jul 2010 Posts: 48 Location: Round rock Texas

Not to sound like a big jerk but some times I think my friends from the other side of the pond are pretty girly.

700+ hp, no driving aids and the power band of a 2 stroke.

Now that sounds like fun.

Not to sure about the bashing on the american cars. Especially after Porsche(944) had to cheat twice during the 1984 Nelson Ledges race just to stay on the lead lap with the SVO (4cyl) and Saleen mustangs.

My previous ride. Turbo V8 and not a single driving aid. Oh and yeah that is me driving around the Porsche through the turns and on the straights.

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If you think you can t drive a 500+ hp rear drive car (including turbo V8s) on track with out traction control devices you need to spend some more time behind the wheel

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bunta · Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 49

great 944 !