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[924RACR]

Hey, Jeremy - check out the Nov Fastrack! The 924 has been classified in F Prod Limited Prep with a weight of 2200lbs!

Gee, that's awfully tempting...
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'79 924 #77 SCCA H Prod racecar
'82 931 Plat. Silver
#25 Hidari Firefly P2 sports prototype

[jesse wall]

Think we have figured out a way to put fuel cell in cheaply , and will need to get hatch replaced rest is elbow grease ala John Brown weight reduction , if we leave the engine stock would still be 924 cup aka 944 cup leagl right? Jesse
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jesse wall 'new driver' , 87 924s

[jjadczak]

I have'nt seen the Nov. Fast Track yet, is it online? I think we could be very tempted to run F Prod especially if we could be sort of closer to the competition. I think the car certainly could come down to 2200, even with my fat ass in it. That would make us more competive also in 944 Cup. Would that throw us out of GTS1, not that I'm planning on running a lot of GTS races next season (Distances to the tracks is too long). I think we may need to further discuss at the end of the season. Do you know what they define as "limited prep"?

Jeremy

[jjadczak]

I'm also curious to see why they did this? It would have been interesting to follow the intent and rationale for this recent rules change. Is the SCCA that strapped for fields that their looking at every possible IT car to convert to Production? I have looked at the new regs and it doesn't seem like we could be that far off. I think my father would rather run Production as it harkens back to his old days with H Prod Sprites. I've always wanted to be able to be in a position where I could run SCCA one weekend, then turn around and be competitive in 944 Cup the next weekend. This would clearly allow us to go that direction and be sort of competitive in both series. We then might be able to convert other potential 924 racers out there to consider going F-Prod, but that is a long ways off. After having read these new rules changes, we are seriously going to consider them carefully and we just might end up in F Prod in '04. I really don't enjoy running in ITA at all.

Jeremy

[jesse wall]

Actually W. A., Lawerance and I asked the comp board to declare the 924 as an F prod car I wrote the letter in August and was supprised that it was approved so soon , also we asked that the 924s be declared an E production car , these cars in this format are also approved by the vintage groups as a group 8 car if you do not run slicks , we did this so we can run our cars to look like the old d production cars they can run in cup , run in production and vintage , the 924 s would have to have the hatch and front hood swapped back and forth , if we were to rebuild engines with the max of 10.5 1 compression I bet Dave D. can figure out a formula so we could still run cup , we just are interested in running in as many groups as we can here at vir at least having the door opened for these great cars to as many avenues as possible. The guys on the scca production web site were very helpful to a group of beginners and gave us the outline that they thought would work and be competetive if we got serious, The comp board wanted cars that would be built, were cheap , and could compete without great expense, we just explained how great the 924 fit the bill It is mostly Dave D's fault for putting the idea of a car that holds together but looks like a D production or gt car in our heads . Jesse
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jesse wall 'new driver' , 87 924s

[w.a.]

Fellow Racers and all interested,
We brainstormed this for months, but it was Jesse who collared the right folks and composed the letter requesting limited prep for the 924. Unfortunately, we didn't get everything we asked for. Carbs were included in the initial request, and I 've been told that they aren't allowed under the new rules. That will keep Christine out of FP (she's got those 40 MM Weber DCOEs), but I'm still Cup and PCR eligible.

Go to it guys! Support the new rules. Things are winding down and the long winter of discontent is upon us. Let's field some 924's in FP in the spring of '04 and show the Comp Board we weren't just wasting their time.
Best,
w.a.
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'92 968 Coupe, Black/Tan
'76 924 J Stock Racer

"If you are not living life on the edge, you are taking up too much space."

[jesse wall]

Hey Donna will give you a cis or yu can run e production we will all be in same run group unless somebody goes to nationals , that way you can add anything to car you like , any suspension , any power mods only restriction is 45 mm webers are largest carbs and same wheels as us , otherwise the sky is the limit , jESSE TO QUOTE CC" IT AIN'T MY FAULT I DIDN"T HAVE ANY BRAKES'
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jesse wall 'new driver' , 87 924s

[AndyFranklin]

I'm glad this choice became available.

I just started a project the end of August, starting from a slightly burnt '79. It was not my fire, but the kid who toasted it only owned it two days! He paid $2300, I paid $350, and everything cooked was coming out anyway. The interior was destroyed, thus eliminating it from IT consideration.

I figure if I really want to go EProd, I can do so at a later date. I will have to replace the fuel distributor, since that was destroyed in the fire. But that is the only "new" part that would not work in a later updgrade (I think!).

I'm still at the point of tearing the car apart, so I have time before making non-reversable decisions. Weekend time has been tight due to F&C commitments, but the season is over the end of the month.

If anyone is coming out to Nelson Ledges for the last two races - look me up!

[jjadczak]

I think that these new rules are going to be great for 924 racers! These rules are exactly what we've been hoping for. Were not competitive in SCCA ITA nor 944 Cup. By allowing us to drop our weight and make improvements not exactly allowed in Improved Touring, it makes it all the worth while to stick with the 924. It's a great little car but ours is a dog and we get easily discouraged that it finishes near the end of the field. I think were gonna have to take a serious look at this and potentially/probably set out to run F Prod next season or maybe on '05. It's gonna take a lot of money to make the necessary modifications but if we do it little by little over the next few seasons we can make a really faster car to play with the others F prod cars. This new rulling gives us hope! We have a spare 924 parts car, maybe we can use this as the mule to build a lightweight racer and transfer all of our parts and components from our current racer.

Jeremy "faster than my father at Pocono, Beaverun, Summit Point, and hopefully the Glen this weekend" Jadczak

SCCA ITA NASA 944 Cup, GTS Challenge

[ryoji]

All fuel cell from the summit racing is NOT approved by SCCA, according to the tech support at the summit.

Whatever the meaning of SCCA approved, ATL and Fuel Safe have ones. By quick search in the internet and the local shops, I found ATL sports cell 15g for $444 and 12g for $420, ATL super100 cell 15g for $670 and 12g for $644. Fuel Safe enduro 15g is $444 and 12g for $416. Least expensive one I found is Fuel Safe enduro 15g at $399, local pick-up only.
Reading at the rennlist forums, Fuel Safe has a quality control problem!

Could someone explan "Bulkhead"? Is it apply to 924 or F Production? What is this really (I can not have any image)?

Another thing I need to improve from minimum ita set-up is having on-board fire system, whcih cost me a min of $300.

So looks like I'm looking to spend $1k at least over this winter if... . Does anybody know better deal of these? I do not think 4~5 is not a group-buy.
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[jesse wall]

First you of course need a fuel cell ,how much gas do you need? An atl 10 gallon cell will fit in the spare tire well with a little surgery on the forward wall , atl makes a 17 gallon that is 34 /17 / 7 it will fit cross ways on existing floor or long ways .or you can cut floor over where existing tank is , the scca requires that the tank be 12 inches from the original , to make sense of this ,picture a basketball as the orginal and a soccer ball as the fuel cell when yu place the soccer ball the outside has to be within 12 inches of where the outside of the basketball was , another problem is fuel flow we are going to experiement with a tank temporaly placed on back floor and tilt it a bit so that duck foot pickup will be lower than rest of tank , using existing pump may work will let you kow , most people I have talked to suggest a surge tank inside fuel cell with 3 doors and an in tank pump thia will really raise the cost , most people do not realize what a frugal bunch of do it your self folks 924 nuts are , another option is to place cell long ways on passenger side rear after removing tank and cutting floor , we will see what works space wise , another problem is that the fuel cell has to be in a different compartment from driver so a box has to be made with door for fill if you do not fill from outside , if you fill from outside need a special check valve so if crash tears fil loose from tank fuel will not spill , also no glass except for windsheild which can be left or replaced with plexiglass, also need fire system which is not a bad option anyway , roll cage needs two bars on each side and extra front hoop , could do safety mods first season and engine mods if desired the next , also can run al flywheel , I do not know what hp to expect with 10.5 /1 and allowed cam but would guess 150 at least many experts say with carbs and 12.5/1 175 is easy so I am just guessing will try to post pics when we open car up to measure space for cell , we will try cell temp first in my its car without removing tank as it just passed inspection for highway and is still street legal so can drive with cell in without risking life on track understand that if engine quits diaster follows shortly do not wish to lock up at 100 plus ,btw ran over 1and 1/2 hrs on 924s plus lots of idle time waiting and used7.6 gal would expect 924 to use less , maY THINK OF SMALL TANK then add another with transfer pump may be a bad idea if we cut floor and want to spend over 700 bucks the 17 gal atl can be placed using existing fill we think custom tanks are too much money for us about 2 grand so any body has any shade tree engineering ideas please share ,
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jesse wall 'new driver' , 87 924s

[ryoji]

I've never had more than 8 gal. I add few gallons for each session going out. I've never thought I need more than that for 20~30min practice/sprint race/DE session. So far only once I wonder if the flow of the gas stopped at a corner(the boot at the Glen). EP is not qualify to the Enduro in NE. So I consider a 12 or 15 gal cell.

regards,
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R.I.P.:a 924 ITA race car

[John Brown]

Jesse:

Post me a link to the SCCA tech rules please.

Thanks,

John

[AndyFranklin]

Neither the GCR or PCS are posted. Either have to buy one (something like $20) or find someone with it and borrow the CD. The pdf is about 23MB. At this point in the year beg/borrow/steal a 2003 (or even a 2002) edition and wait until the 2004 edition is out to buy one.

[jesse wall]

What do you need frpm gcr have copy will be glad to repeat info , Jesse
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jesse wall 'new driver' , 87 924s