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[Joes924Racer]

Ours exploded in 2001 state leaders bragged about the budget being a
great shining example of bipartisan compromise. Now these days
the legislature is unable to raise taxes and is very devided and desperate to end the crisis as its called.
since they cant raise taxes after alot of cuts to schools,the disabled, senoirs, and medically needy 320 million in cuts because they could not raise the taxes with measure 28 on top of that theres another a 245 million dollar drop. The floor keeps falling out they say they were able to cut spending by 1 billion tapped reserves,borrowed money raised tobacco taxes for a rainy day fund that they immediatly began drawing off of.

The solution as last year is to borrow... borrow from the tobacco settlement,rainy day fund for education, other funds and accounts
with other cuts they can restore some of the lost services so people wont die like essential health care and public safety..

People here are dumbasses who are easily fooled and manipulated
there has been alot if missuse,and abuse done behind there backs
to the point and beyond...???? "ME" Im hoping to put those shiny chrome
6X16 "FUCHS" on my car.

There was an article in the paper today about flipping the bird and its uses and different meanings. Some say flipping the bird is a sign of just how desanitized things become to our own crassiness.. me Im a denver native
and damn proud of that fact you cant pull the wool over me Im not a dumbass just pass me a drink of water. Hey maybe later we can look at the map of the US...

partisan-
Devoted to or biased in support of a party, group, or cause: partisan politics.

bipartisan-
consisting of, or supported by members of two parties, especially two major political parties: a bipartisan resolution.
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[Joes924Racer]

Today the seanate here passed a newe budget plan,as one senator
put it he doesnt like it though that is exaclty what the people and the economy have made. It relies on borrowing more and draining reserves,
using the tobacco settlement to repay .This is all to give back benefits to the poor,older,ill and disabled restoring 33 million instead of 13 million. Most of the plan relies on borrowing 300 million
against the 1998 tobacco settlement and draining a education fund
and other funds. Like almost 20 other states this state has tied up all
monies it is to recieve from the tobacco settlement.Some states sell there
shares of the settlement.There are no choices left. This state seeks to sell
also.

This states budget troubles are not a well kept secret school day cut backs and service cuts complicate out of state exectutive candidates to the state.
With candidates backing out citing worries of education and services to the disabled. Good jobs are not plentiful,classroom time is 30% lower..
for the kids its kind of sad.. what do you do put 16" FUCHS ON THE PORSCHE

Its over now the new budget is planned with the city I live in falling
under its budget though the states budget is not. Though Im sure
your looking for my motive here it should be clear I think its funny
theres no good sports teams here most of the people are kind of strange
silly greedy people...I dont know the truth must be known maybe canada will take me.
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[Joes924Racer]

Well after beating the record for the longest legislative session
in history,and beating this poor dog to death calling it a
shame and a disgrace. Bills written for one purpose were
gutted and stuffed with proposels bearing no relation..
A budget for schools was finally approved so the lawmakers can
now leave town. The session will not end though until a tax increase
is signed. Its a good thing raising the taxes ...its the only way when theres no money.

Hope those silly lawmakers can drive there porsches
and be happy.
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[Stu2j]

>>Its a good thing raising the taxes ...its the only way when theres no money

It's a shame that people get into this mindset. The reality is that we should be planning the next tea party.

Let's take a self employed person paying a moderate 27% federal income tax who lives in a moderate state paying 5% state tax in addition to the 15.3% self employment tax.

This person is turning over 47.3% of his bottom line income in just these taxes. Now factor in business license taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, fuel taxes, and a host of other lessor known taxes and it is easy for the tax percentage to quickly climb to more than 60% of income.

And then some dumbass will ask why so many small businesses fail. The reality is that people are paying enough in taxes and it should stop.

The income tax is an illusion. You pay a hefty tax (both federal and state) each time you buy fuel, tires, food, and many other common commodities. The fact is that the government is full of overcompensated ignorant people and wasteful programs.

There is enough tax being paid. It would be nice if voters would recognize that simple fact.
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[Phogphire1]

As a fellow non-native Oregonian, I can say on a postive note :at least you put those shiny chrome 6X16 "FUCHS" on your car. Which is a about as relative to the problem as our Politicans here are. Hopefully this tax gets refered to the voters.
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[kaffine]

I agree with Stu2j there are already enough taxes, the goverment just needs to stop wasting all the money.

I thought you already had the Fuchs on the car?
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[Kenodog]

I must be in the wrong forum;I thought we were talking about cars.
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[D Hook]

Sorry, not on this thread.

Dumbasses: People who think my money belongs to them. People who think my money should help support people who don't want to work.

I could go on.

Don't get me started on property taxes and schools.

[Capt EZ]

Hey stu do we have to dress like indians?
Count me in....i hate paying the bill for some ashole lawer to get elected for the benifit of public service and being able to retire with about !195K per year after serving one term in congress and a fully funded health care plan....
They all taut the Social Security crap every time around election year....the easy fix is to put their fat dumb ass on the rolls like everyone else and watch how fast they find a fix and quite borrowing from the funding for it....
Income tax...it is illegal not to file, i.e. evasion: it is not, however,illegal not to pay.....they can blow me......quit wasting the money i send you and i will start giving again.....
Could we all wear nomex coveralls and call it the Racers' Party...?
Any Suggestions?
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[kaffine]

Hey Joe if you don't think taxes are high enough I'll let you pay mine:)
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[bryanc]

I run a small business myself. I would like to change professions.
Imagine a business where the amount you charge is based on the customers income and spending on other items.
Imagine that you can continue in business even if you loose money.
Imagine than when you collect your money, men with guns go to the customer who doesn't pay and will put the customer in jail if doesn't pay.
Imagine that you decide what the product of your business will be under the above referenced circumstances.
If you don't get enought money, how would you motivate the customers to pay more? Would you threaten to end your extravigant spending or would you threaten to end services that strike at the heart of the customer?

If someone would take conrol of the the LIBERATARIAN PARY and get the crazies out this might be a solution. Ask Thomas Jefferson.
Look into it, if you care.
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[wdb]

you guys are joking right ? been to the inner city lately , you think those people have options . you know that back to work program you here about , well the budget to train those people is about 90% short of what is needed . sometimes I think like minded people spend too much time talking to each other and start to believe the propagangda the politicians are spouting . yes the politicians spend too much on most things . there are almost 2 million people in jail not paying taxes and are a drain on society . some are evil, most are just poor and ignorant .how often do you here about the wealthy stealing, selling drugs ,addicted to drugs ,assaulting each other in the streets beating thier wives and children . its the stress and strain of poverty . in the early 1900's when the eastern europians immigrated to the us , they were the poor , thier children were in the streets commiting crime and they were the largest ethnic group in the usa;s jails . when the jews came to the usa , they were the poor, thier children were in the streets and the largest groups in the jails . when the Italians came , they were the poor and thier kids were in the streets and the jails . these groups didnt speak the language or know the culture ,or have a network of friends and business contacts .after these groups assimilated into society it was the Mexicans that were the poor thier kids in the streets and jails , that process is ongoing . and the african american's have had to deal with poorly educated un and underemployment forever ! the problem is education and training . the poor need it and the republicans are acting like the poor are leeches sucking the life out of the country . other than finance nothing happens without a poor man's hands doing the work ! your food, furniture , houses , everything is made, handled or delivered by the poor , but in hard times they are told get a job . do you think every one takes thier turn at being unemployed or do you think its pretty much the same group of people cronically unemployed , that account for the high unemployement . the politicians are playing us . tell the middle class that thier taxes are high because of the poor , tell the poor we cant afford to help you because the rich and corporations are greedy and getting so many tax breaks we dont have the money . 2 days ago the congress passed the largest farm bill in world history . 10's of thousands of farmers are being paid $50,000 to not grow wheat ,thats right ,do whatever you want, just dont grow wheat ,we have too much . but it gets better , there is a 16 acre farm in texas that has 16 partners, each partner gets $50,000 a year . that farm couldnt grow 1 thousand dollars worth of wheat in 10 years ,and there are other farms like this , only the records are sealed to protect the privacy of the farmers , RIGHT. not to mention the large chunk agra-business is getting . then there is the fact that none of the fortune 500 companies have not paid any taxes in 20 years . oh and many companies are given millions to market thier products in china , as if china would buy it anyway . and we havent yet goten to the military industrial complex and the $500 toilet seats and hammers ,yes that shit is still happening . the millions of wealthy elderly collecting social security ,when they dont need it , and no they havent earned it ,they paid in pennies compared to what they are collecting , unlike you the rates were different then . oh did I mention the 100's mountain airports that are being maintain by the government and only accesable from the air , they are camp grounds for the people who own aircraft (the rich). you cant go there . the poor dont make use of the national parks , airports , the coast guard , and millions of other facilities and services the government provides for the citzens of the usa , the middle and upper class do . its not the poor spending your money , its the middle and upper class benefiting from the special deals that congress funds , did you know the fed gives city governments money for each person they arrest on drug charges , yup the poor inner city people who are not the only users ,have a bounty on there heads and the city is rewarded for thier dilegent efforts to clean the streets . as if the shootings, violence and dispair were not enough stress on the poor . the police laying in wait , setting up stings offering large sums of money to poor poeple if they can get them drugs . thats like hitting a hungry dog for snatching a steak off the table , what did you think would happen . people are selling and doing drugs out of lack and dispair . drug bust acount for about %60 of the prison population . the prison idustry is making a killing ,you should invest in the private companies .

for more details
http://www.federalbudget.com/

[Stu2j]

What a load of liberal crap.

Nothing you said changes the fact that enough taxes are being paid. It is how those taxes are being allocated that is the real tragedy.

If you want more money allocated to inner city schools and programs, that's cool with me. However, since those people don't bother to vote and don't make political contributions, it isn't likely to happen. THAT is the problem with the system. It hasn't got a thing to do with raising taxes. It has everything to do with special interests and campaign contributions.

Take to the streets and start asking people the names of those who sit on their school board, city council, etc. They won't be able to give you a single name. Oh, but they'll certainly bitch about the government not doing enough for them.

This Robin Hood theory of governing to solve all of the ills of society is complete horsepucky and makes me ill.
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[-nick]

"THAT is the problem with the system..."

wow, the government only has one problem?

keep your money if that's what makes you happy. i'll give mine away if it helps people become educated and helps our environment stay clean. i have too many other things that fulfill my life. if keeping that extra couple percent of your income is such a big deal, then i feel sorry for you.

i'm not saying there isn't a ton of waste, but does that mean you don't pay at all? my family and i argue sometimes, does that mean i should disown them? nope, we talk things over and sometimes one of us changes our mind. change sure doesn't come quickly, nor is it expected to. if you want everything in government to be "fixed" before you have your coffee tomorrow, you're going to be an unhappy man.

"This Robin Hood theory of governing to solve all of the ills of society is complete horsepucky and makes me ill."

sure, we should really just leave the poor to themselves- but then the stench of their homes would probably irratate your nose and you would want that gone too...

(one of those haulers of liberal crap)
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[Stu2j]

>>>wow, the government only has one problem?

Basically yes. Piss poor management.

>>>keep your money if that's what makes you happy.

Isn't it amazing how happy that makes me.

>>>i'll give mine away if it helps people become educated and helps our environment stay clean.

If you "give it away" in the form of taxes, you will accomplish not one of your goals. You would do better to give it directly to the organizations involved. Give it directly to the school, an environmental organization, etc.

>>> i have too many other things that fulfill my life. if keeping that extra couple percent of your income is such a big deal, then i feel sorry for you.

Extra couple percent?

My man, I make a very good living helping people pay the lowest possible tax. I have never had a client (liberal or conservative) come to my door and say he wanted to give more.

>>>i'm not saying there isn't a ton of waste, but does that mean you don't pay at all?

Who isn't paying? I can assure you that everyone is paying. The problem is that we should only be paying the right amount. Not coughing up extra because a bunch of attorneys don't know what they are doing.

The simple fact is that if the government said that they wanted a 10 cent gas tax that would go directly to the public school system, everyone would be in favor of it. The problem is that everyone knows the government lies and that the money would wind up in more government pork programs sponsored by the same liberal lamos that created this mess in the first place.

>>>if you want everything in government to be "fixed" before you have your coffee tomorrow, you're going to be an unhappy man.

The government will never be "fixed".

>>>sure, we should really just leave the poor to themselves-

This isn't the point but liberals really don't care about that. The point is that there ALREADY IS ENOUGH MONEY if managed correctly.
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