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Sickofstreetracing
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"100% True!!!
Just like Porsche"
What does that mean?? Both the 924 and the 924S are P-cars. I drive a 924S too, and while I'm sure an automatic would be faster than a manual 924 in a strait line doesn't necessarily mean it's a faster car once some twists and turns show up. The reason manuals are more "fun" is the feeling of more control over the car. Plus, with a wider range of gear ratios to choose from, it's certainly possible that a regular (stick) 924 would out accelerate an automatic 924S at the exit of a corner. 
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Techno Duck
Joined: 12 Nov 2002
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Location: Long Island, New York
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2003 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| Sickofstreetracing wrote: | "100% True!!!
Just like Porsche"
What does that mean?? Both the 924 and the 924S are P-cars. I drive a 924S too, and while I'm sure an automatic would be faster than a manual 924 in a strait line doesn't necessarily mean it's a faster car once some twists and turns show up. The reason manuals are more "fun" is the feeling of more control over the car. Plus, with a wider range of gear ratios to choose from, it's certainly possible that a regular (stick) 924 would out accelerate an automatic 924S at the exit of a corner. |
I guess ill just leave it in '2' then. 
As for the feeling of the turbo spooling up and coming up to boost while driving stick, yea its a cool feeling. Ive driven my friends turbo Civic SI a few times, pretty crazy how it 'hops' as the tires chirp.
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Sickofstreetracing
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2003 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| Techno Duck wrote: | I guess ill just leave it in '2' then.
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Seen it (auto 240SX at an autoX), tried it (My dad's car is a 4spd auto), still too much lag from the damned torque converter (Plus the fact that your gearing is wider to compensate).
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Neil924
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Location: Canada
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Personally, I don't drive "riceamatic" cars. Where are the pink dice and the ugly older woman???. READ THIS AND REMEMBER, RICE IS NOT A PORSCHE OPTION! If you can't afford to upgrade your car, then don't try!
Ricer = Retard, divided by 1/2 the mental effort a 3rd grader can muster + the fact that you drive your mom's 1988 K car like it's the fastest car on the road with tires squealing and engine popping. Too bad public beatings and hangings are not popular anymore.  |
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Roger
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2003 8:33 am Post subject: |
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Correct me if I am wrong but an automatic is not faster than a manual. Eventhough drag racers use automatics I am talking about a regular stock version. I always thought that a manual tranny was a more efficient method of power transmission. Can't a manual tranny be faster if the driver knows how to shift properly?
I allways thought,
Automatic:
Better gas milage
Less maintiance
smoother
Manual
More Power
Better control and handling
I think that a sports car needs a manual tranny, but there are time that I prefer to drive an automatic. The Dodge has an automatic and I prefer it over a manual when I am towing, have poor traction, or in stop and go traffic.
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coconutcowboy
Joined: 27 May 2003
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Location: Milner, Ga
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2003 8:36 am Post subject: |
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I am an automatic OD fan but I prefer a manual 4 or 5speed stick in my P car.
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OR_Sunset
Joined: 04 Jan 2003
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Location: Veneta, OR
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2003 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Friend with Lotus says: I wouldn't drive a car with an auto. too much wasted energy.
This from a person who thinks the only time the car should be in 1st gear is when parking. To each their own. |
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Lizard
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Location: Abbotsford BC. Canada
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2003 9:12 am Post subject: |
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| Roger wrote: | Correct me if I am wrong but an automatic is not faster than a manual. Eventhough drag racers use automatics I am talking about a regular stock version. I always thought that a manual tranny was a more efficient method of power transmission. Can't a manual tranny be faster if the driver knows how to shift properly?
I allways thought,
Automatic:
Better gas milage
Less maintiance
smoother
Manual
More Power
Better control and handling
I think that a sports car needs a manual tranny, but there are time that I prefer to drive an automatic. The Dodge has an automatic and I prefer it over a manual when I am towing, have poor traction, or in stop and go traffic. |
Roger you are partially correct. the automatics are slower in a straight line due to more power loss through the clutch discs and torque converter, and things like that, although you are wrong on one point, autos do NOT get better gas mileage as they have alot more power loss, and less loss = more efficent hence manual, and yes standards have better control but the dont affect handling at all that is the suspension and weight balance. and a manual can be just as smooth if not smoother if the person knows how to shift and use the clutch
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Llamaguy
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2003 9:20 am Post subject: |
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though with an automatic, you can pay more attention to where you are going and use both hands to steer and if you want, one pedal per foot.
But I myself am still looking for a manual car
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Lizard
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2003 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| Llamaguy wrote: | though with an automatic, you can pay more attention to where you are going and use both hands to steer and if you want, one pedal per foot.
But I myself am still looking for a manual car |
if you use 2 feet to drive an auto you are a putz who needs to learn how to drive, and as for being able to pay more attention this is also a load because if you know the car well you can shift by listening to the engine and knowning where the gears are in the car.
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Roger
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2003 9:26 am Post subject: |
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I thought manufactures posted better millage for autos. Mostly due to the gearing and the way they are driven.
Better handeling does come from weight ballance. Using the engine to brake does not transfer all the weight to the front of the car like it does when you use the brakes.
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78 924 N/a
Joined: 20 Mar 2003
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Location: Pacific N.W.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2003 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Automatic:
Better gas milage |
That's incorrect.
| Quote: | I thought manufactures posted better millage for autos. Mostly due to the gearing and the way they are driven.
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Never.
| Quote: | | Better handeling does come from weight ballance. Using the engine to brake does not transfer all the weight to the front of the car like it does when you use the brakes. |
Exactly. But too much brakes unsettles the car and unloads the rear tires possibly losing traction in a corner. Besides you need a lower gear for exiting. So IMHO, use both for ULTIMATE CORNERING!!
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ZV
Joined: 27 Nov 2002
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2003 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| speedsta2003 wrote: | | Stu2j wrote: | | Sickofstreetracing wrote: | | Techno Duck wrote: | | again, everyone picking at the fact someone drives an automatic...i dont get it.Too each his own. |
I think the general opinion is that the 924 is a car meant to be enjoyed with a manual transmission. I couldn't imagine driving it otherwise, not to mention with that 3 speed auto <shudder>  |
The Duckman, like me, drives a 924S automatic that I bet will kick the crap out of a regular 924 standard or otherwise. 
Trust me, the 924S is fun to drive whether it is standard or automatic. |
100% True!!!
Ive driven a 87 924S and an 80 924 Turbo both 5spd, and still the my 88 auto was more fun to drive. The 924 turbo, just not fast enough (maybe all it needed was a boost controller, but the turbo spooling up was cool), and the 87 5 spd, too much unwanted transmission noise and the clutch pedal is too close to the fuse box, I dont know if any one else has this problem of the fuse box getting in the way all the time???). But dont get me wrong, I would rather have a 5spd, no question. |
I don't know, my '87 942S is a 5-speed and it's not exactly a fast car. It would be an absolute dog with an automatic.
I have nothing against automatics though, there have been a number of times when I've been stuck in traffic and wished that I had a slushbox. Still, a track car is ill-suited to the application of an automatic transmission. Automatics take too long to make up their minds and their shifts are almost never on time when entering or leaving a slow corner. The 924 and 924S is a handling car, a car for corners, for late-braking and balancing on trailing-throttle oversteer. An automatic trips the car up just a bit.
That said, for a car that spends most of its time on normal roads, an automatic is fine. In real life, automatic versus manual is strictly personal preference.
Automatics sacrifice mileage though. Due to two things, a lack of gear ration and inefficiencies in torque converters.
Aaron
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Joes924Racer
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Location: Oregon, Denver Colorado native!
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2003 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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The twin-pak is probly pretty quite at idle Im almost
ready to say the twins look better then the huge tging[single can]
nicely refined yet yet not ricey. Yea thats it.
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positivesale
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