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ideola · Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI

A friend posted a link to this video on my FB timeline:
http://expeditionportal.com/exploring-backroads-and-finding-yourself-in-a-porsche-356/

It got me thinking about the two 1982 "parts cars" that I have sitting in the shop right now. Would be really great to make a Rallye style car out of one of them. I'm thinking no paint job, stick with the badly faded guards red, and trick it out with a lift kit, skid plates, light bar, and hopped-up turbo motor.

How hard could it be?

Potential donors pictured here:

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Fifty50Plus · Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 11:33 pm Post subject:

Don't waste money/time on a hopped up Turbo motor. That 356 only has 60 HP and does just fine.
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TJC · Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 12:27 am Post subject:

Precisely what I thought about doing with this when I picked her up last month:
http://www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=42133

And like the first Barth/Kussmaul car I'd keep her NA as I don't think the extra ponies would help all that much on the dirt roads we have out here in the high desert. My daughter, who has just returned home from college, and I have kicked the idea around a bit and she thinks it would be pretty cool to do it up that way!
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ideola · Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI

Good point about the hopped up motor...but I have three spare 931 complete long blocks, and no extra NA setups...plus my donors are 931 to start with...so I could just do a standard US-spec 931 build, just freshen up the motor and call it good...

I have a friend back in MI who had built a couple of rally-cross 944s, and I met a guy from MN last year who rally-crosses in a '78 NA. I'll have to ping them for details on their suspension setups.
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TJC · Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 2:20 am Post subject:

I'd be interested in knowing their chassis setups.
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'02 Porsche Boxster..."Sunbeam"
'04 BMW X3..."Xander"
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ideola · Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI

Well, here's something of a starting point, although not a lot of specifics with respect to suspension.
http://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-944-951-968-forum/852994-show-me-your-off-road-rally-944s.html

And this:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=28&f=48&t=1359406&mid=0&i=0&nmt=Europe%27s+hardest+rally+in+a+944&mid=0
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Rasta Monsta · Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 11733 Location: PacNW

I think it will be tough to raise the rear much without ruining geometry, unless you have custom trailing arms and half shafts. Maybe lower the torsion carrier?
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ideola · Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI

From what I've gathered so far, ground clearance of 8" seems to be very doable with adjustment to stock torsion bar setup. There was mention of notching the spring plate to allow for more travel, but there was also specific mention that stock half shafts were perfectly fine. Might need some longer rear shocks. I've sent a couple of inquiries to some of the guys who have experience setting up for rally cross, will post back if get any replies.
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XLR8 · Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 9:29 am Post subject:

I love this idea, and if I had a spare car, time and cash; I'd do it.
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TJC · Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 9:37 am Post subject:

It looks like the rear suspension on the Barth cars used stock components although the trailing arms were reinforced as well as the front control arms. They also upgraded the brakes to ventilated discs all around. For my purposes I don't think I'd need maximum ground clearance and travel that a serious competitor may require as I'd probably just run some of the "legal" dirt roads out here "spiritedly" as I have no desire to compete. I'd also like to make sure it was still dual purpose so we could use it to go to the grocery store if we wanted to...I'd probably even keep the A/C, LOL!

I think it would be kinda nifty to have a street tribute rally car since you really don't see that type of thing in the States too much...especially out here in cowboy country where everybody has a pickup or Jeep!!! I'm hoping some of our friends across the ponds will chime in as rally is much more popular in other parts of the world than it is here even though I'm well aware of the small but enthusiastic group of ralliests here from my involvement with SCCA when I was the importer for Revolution Wheels and was a sponsor at some of their events back in the early 2000's.

I'm going to start researching...this could be fun

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'95 BMW 318i/5 ..."Pearl"
'87 Porsche 944 NA... "Liebchen"
'02 Porsche Boxster..."Sunbeam"
'04 BMW X3..."Xander"
Still on the Prowl!

www.ttrs1.com

Rasta Monsta · Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 11733 Location: PacNW

Might be interesting with a beater 951...tack on toofah rear quarters and GT flares...GTR rally car!
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ideola · Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI

TJC · Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 10:46 am Post subject:

Rasta, you've got a nifty idea but in my case anyway, since this is going to be a car I really don't need to have, I would be keeping it as (tastefully) low budget as possible. I'm also looking at something that won't take a ton in upkeep...I'm not sure if I'd even put the simple fiberglass flares on it!!!

I'm going to start reaching out to some of the Rally folks I know from my old Revolution Wheels days and see if I can get any input from them...although it's been a decade or more since I was involved...we'll see.
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'95 BMW 318i/5 ..."Pearl"
'87 Porsche 944 NA... "Liebchen"
'02 Porsche Boxster..."Sunbeam"
'04 BMW X3..."Xander"
Still on the Prowl!

www.ttrs1.com

POORscheMAN · Joined: 08 Sep 2003 Posts: 104 Location: Norwich NY

TJC, what was your involvement with Revolution wheels?

I have a set of classic 5 spoke 9x15 and 10x15 Revolution Wheels that fit the 4 bolt suspension that I dont know what to do with.

http://www.revolutionwheels.com/wheels/motorsport/rally/5-spoke-classic/

Nice rims, just really really big. I have no use for them.

Would look great on CGT rally car. The only 10x15 rubber that I could find available has too tall of a sidewall for street use, but would give great ground clearance on a rally tribute.

If one of you guys venturing down this path are interested, shoot me a PM.
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TJC · Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 1:50 am Post subject: