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griffinbilt

Joined: 23 Nov 2010 Posts: 31 Location: Flora Indiana
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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:38 am Post subject: 931 crank sensor [DEAD] |
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Can anyone tell what the A/C voltage is on a good working crank sensor? I am in the process of making sensors. Measure between term# 13 and 14 but it has to be measured in A/C voltage at cranking. need asap! So I can get mine running again. and maybe others.
Thank you Tony Griffin |
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McGyver

Joined: 24 Feb 2009 Posts: 354 Location: Jelenia Gora - Poland
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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Not sure anyone here know the answer... Voltage as I know should be low enough to be amplified in DITC... but once (flywheel 1-st teeth) is much more stronger or higher than normal ones. Most important in good sensor is resistance between connectors (you can find proper values in service manual or here on board).
As I saw sensor should be just two coils in one housing... never had chance to get one bad sensor and take it apart for research so I'm not 100% sure what else could be inside. _________________ 931 82' - 5000km after full engine rebuild
SOLD: 924 81' N/A- with turbo gearbox "dogleg" - great but mysterious car
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ptheskil
Joined: 03 Aug 2004 Posts: 128 Location: Essex, UK
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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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I have never measured this on my 931 so bear that in mind. The CPS on the 931 is a dual VR sensor so on the primary coil the voltage will vary with crank speed. Based on experience with other engines you should be measuring about 1V (maybe less) at crank and up in the 100s of V at high rpm. The secondary coil has fewer turns and therefore only produces a measurable output when the "special" tooth passes it once per crank revolution. In theory it should be possible to wind a couple of coils to do the same job and produce a similar output. Good luck with that and if you are successful then you will find yourself with a lot of new friends. _________________ 1981 931 series2 Euro spec |
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nwns

Joined: 27 Sep 2008 Posts: 93 Location: Lancashire, UK
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Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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We've been taking lots of measurements with a view to finding an alternative over at porsche924.co.uk one of our members has detailed it quite well using an oscilloscope.
Would be good to pool resources, though the parts manager at one of our OPCs has suggested that if we ask enough they will remanufacture non-trim components.... _________________ Pete |
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ptheskil
Joined: 03 Aug 2004 Posts: 128 Location: Essex, UK
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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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I'd be interested to see some of that data. Any chance of a link to the relevant post? Thanks. _________________ 1981 931 series2 Euro spec |
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nwns

Joined: 27 Sep 2008 Posts: 93 Location: Lancashire, UK
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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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http://porsche924.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=14336&hilit=crank
It's here but it's in a members only section, great club though and we post magazines, etc worldwide for no extra charge.
Ask Mr.P (membership@porsche924.co.uk) for a discount on membership as we're past half way in the year. _________________ Pete |
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Carrera RSR

Joined: 08 Jan 2010 Posts: 2312 Location: Somerset, UK
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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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As posted on another thread re NLA bearings, we at the 924 owners club are compiling a NLA list to lobby Porsche and other suppliers to regain some supplies. If we can pool our resources, time, knowledge and contacts we may be able to resolve some deal breakers of NLA parts.
We would welcome any contact and support on this http://www.porsche924.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=104&t=16778 _________________ 1980 931 - forged pistons, Piper cam, K27/26 3257 6.10 hybrid turbo, 951 FMIC, custom intake, Mittelmotor dizzy & cam pulley, H&S exhaust, GAZ Gold, Fuch'ed, Quaife
Now www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=34690
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Ponz
Joined: 10 Jan 2013 Posts: 229 Location: Florida
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:47 am Post subject: |
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Strange that this site does not charge to join. Thanks a million John.
I have tried to get on the UK site but why the charge? So if you cannot find it on the UK site look here. I suggest we petition the UK site to let us 924.org site guys enter for free just like the UK guys visit us free.
Thanks again John for all your work on this site.
vince
I think I am having a senior moment. _________________ 77 1/2 track car
79 931 Euro
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Carrera RSR

Joined: 08 Jan 2010 Posts: 2312 Location: Somerset, UK
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| Ponz wrote: | Strange that this site does not charge to join. Thanks a million John.
I have tried to get on the UK site but why the charge? So if you cannot find it on the UK site look here. I suggest we petition the UK site to let us 924.org site guys enter for free just like the UK guys visit us free.
Thanks again John for all your work on this site.
vince
I think I am having a senior moment. |
Because the 924OC is a club first which funds many things including the website. Without the charge the club nor website wouldn't exist. _________________ 1980 931 - forged pistons, Piper cam, K27/26 3257 6.10 hybrid turbo, 951 FMIC, custom intake, Mittelmotor dizzy & cam pulley, H&S exhaust, GAZ Gold, Fuch'ed, Quaife
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Kenodog

Joined: 25 Jun 2003 Posts: 2669 Location: Vancouver,B.C.
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:07 am Post subject: |
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So if we here in N. America want to just join the Forum aspect do we get a discount on membership since we quite obviously cannot make the other events that the membership dues help fund ? _________________ 1979 Euro 931, Olive
1981 931, Sabine
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morghen

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 9095 Location: Romania
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Guys...as far as i know, joining the forum is free.
Some areas of the forum are only available for the club members.
These areas mainly include the technical help section. _________________ Supercharger and EFI kits
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Carrera RSR

Joined: 08 Jan 2010 Posts: 2312 Location: Somerset, UK
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Kenodog wrote: | | So if we here in N. America want to just join the Forum aspect do we get a discount on membership since we quite obviously cannot make the other events that the membership dues help fund ? |
Plenty of UK members don't do any events. They're still happy to stump up just £20 for the use of the full website and 3 mags per year. _________________ 1980 931 - forged pistons, Piper cam, K27/26 3257 6.10 hybrid turbo, 951 FMIC, custom intake, Mittelmotor dizzy & cam pulley, H&S exhaust, GAZ Gold, Fuch'ed, Quaife
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Cedric

Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 2801 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:12 am Post subject: |
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Ot:
Got an issue of the 924 magazine from felixP when he was on visit here in sweden last weekend. Really nicely made, a magazine full of 924s, wow  _________________ 1980 924 Turbo
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Carrera RSR

Joined: 08 Jan 2010 Posts: 2312 Location: Somerset, UK
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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| Cédric wrote: | Ot:
Got an issue of the 924 magazine from felixP when he was on visit here in sweden last weekend. Really nicely made, a magazine full of 924s, wow  |
3 per year and posted worldwide.  _________________ 1980 931 - forged pistons, Piper cam, K27/26 3257 6.10 hybrid turbo, 951 FMIC, custom intake, Mittelmotor dizzy & cam pulley, H&S exhaust, GAZ Gold, Fuch'ed, Quaife
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Danblez
Joined: 31 May 2013 Posts: 2 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| ptheskil wrote: | | I'd be interested to see some of that data. Any chance of a link to the relevant post? Thanks. |
I measured 1.3PPV at idle and someone has suggested that it is 2.5PPV at 5000rpm, although I have yet to confirm that or voltage whilst cranking.
I will be measureing both of these when I dig the oscilloscope out again!
PS First post, hello all! _________________ 1981 932 |
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