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[XVyvianX]

I wave to other Porsche people even if I am driving the Honda or Nissan! they generally look at me as if I'm nutsy! I love driving my Beetle though, that usually gets a wave, smile, or nod from just about anyone you pass(or that passes you!)I once had a little kid riding in an SUV that was passing me just about fall outta the window he was waving at the 'punch buggy' so hard!

[cathy]

I must give a big middle finger to the gent who posted that all the new electric doodads have been installed for women... puh-leeze. Having owned a 69 Bug in mint condition and a 68 Dart, I can definitely attest to my preference for cars that aren't chock full of bullshit electronics. And I love my mechanic, because he isn't a misogynist... bet you'd get a lot more customers if you didn't act like a chauvanist assmunch, buddy.

I find that I get a lot of honks and waves now that I am driving my 82 924... my Bug was in fine shape, but the 924 gets much more attention. And MOST of the GUYS here are very helpful when I ask about how to give my car the proper maintenance it deserves... without giving me shit for being a woman.

[MAD924]

Whoa! That was good. I'm from PA too, 'bout an hour north of Philadelphia near Allentown. Where in PA do you reside?

[JvGinPDX]

Hey, Cathy,

Women are certainly welcome here, the 924 is a fun car, but does need mechanical help that is too expensive to have done. That is why we do it ourselves. I took my car to a Porsche specialty shop, they told me that they have not worked on a 924 for years, so they are not very familiar with them. On this board we are probably more of a help to each other than many mechanics would be. Women have good minds and ideas too.

[Rick MacLaren]

Cathy,

I enjoy spirited debate, but you've attacked poor old Body Shop Rob here, and I think you were extreme. So here I am, "Politeness Man", here to save the world in the spirit of Dear Abby and Ann Landers. If it provides you comfort, think of me as wearing a dress, polka dot, and a long curly wig, like Loretta Lynn, and lipstick, lots of lipstick, wagging my finger at you. Think of me as your Mom, with hairy legs and a big fat ass, reminding you of what you already know.

lol

Rick

Automobile marketing has, in the past, aimed at parsing out the gender of drivers to better market their product, aimed at specific groups. In the absence of 'hate talk', I give anyone talking gender the 'benefit of the doubt'.

Note: mysogeny - n - 'hatred of women'

Frankly, I don't think marketers, or anyone else, categorize by gender for the purpose of hate, they do it for 'green', um, like 'dollars'. And here, on the 924 site, they do it for convenience, or cause they really believe it.*

In an Exxon survey, many American drivers made a call on a cellular phone (39 percent), gave someone "a peck on the cheek" (32 percent) or listened to a book on tape (15 percent). If they're very young drivers (18 to 24), nearly half said they flirted with another driver. And if they're female, more than a third applied lipstick while in the car.



Raw seething facts. Men, most of us, anyways, don't put on lipstick. So we don't need accessories like vanity mirrors to check that our lipstick isn't caked on our teeth. You don't think they put a vanity mirror under the right visor of every car ever produced on the planet so men could trim their nose hairs, did you?



Peace and love.

*Note: Even if a guy really believed that 'silly devices exist for women' that still would not qualify as a case of misogeny. Ill informed, perhaps, but misogeny? No.

[ This Message was edited by: Rick MacLaren on 2002-07-24 06:33 ]

[Body Shop Rob]

You got me all wrong, Cathy. I love women drivers because literally 80 percent of wrecked cars that come into my shop are owned by women. These are the cars with power everything and are painted teal.
I guess I vented on my post about women drivers because I deal with them so much. I'm used to crying and other emotional outbursts by women concerning their cars, especially when they find out how much it costs to fix.
I'm glad you know your way around your car Cathy because you are the exception not the rule. I give free advice and educate women every day about their cars and how they work. We even give free new owner seminars to the automotively challenged.
Calling me a sexist is a bit of a stretch just because I commented about women and automotive power accessories.
Anyway, I apologize.


BSR

[ltgland]

"I give free advice and educate women every day about their cars and how they work"

dude, I knew NOTHING about how a car worked before I bought my 924. I would have volunteered for that...

When I was younger, I had the opportunity to learn mechanics and said "I will earn so much, I can pay someone to do that!" - boy, how wrong was I. Since getting in 24, I have learnt so much about cars, I guess you appreciate it more as you get older.

[cathy]

Rob,
It's a major shame that a lot of women drivers choose those ridiculously huge SUVs to drive in order to compensate while driving in traffic with the testorone laden.(J/K)But they do keep you in the green... and although I don't agree with you condescending attitude towards your customers, I do recognize too many short women drive vehicles with little or no sight lines. The electronics thing, though, was a little sexist. I notice the wage discrepancies in the US... seems like men are still making much more money, and buying cars like Jags with all the electronics (and those ridiculous Onstar systems... men really learn to ask for directions face to face).

Rick, you are truly exciting to me dolled up like Loretta Lynn. I can only hope that you will grace me with a photo so I can survey your loveliness with my own two eyes. I am a bit of a snipe when perturbed, and you are correct to remind me to be more civil. BUT... during rush hour commutes, I have seen tons of guys using electric shavers with those little vanity mirrors. And of course guys cruising the mid-life highway tend to buy those more spendy Porsches as sort of a boost to their egos that a pair of Dockers and a bottle of Grecian Formula just can't buy.

I can only say that my mechanic is not a certified Porsche mechanic, but he is a damn fine mechanic... and is not ashamed to use my Haynes manual (among other books) to work on my car. I love the fact that I can ask people on this board for help, and they can give me advice from first-hand experience, but I am not a shadetree mechanic, and I honestly doubt I'll ever be competent to work on my 924 by myself. I love my car enough to know it should be worked on by a good trustworthy pro.

I'm yammering, just like a woman!!! Anyway, sorry I bitched, Body Shop Guy.

[dwak]

"I'm glad you know your way around your car Cathy because you are the exception not the rule." Bawdy Shop Rob
Don't feel bad about that comment, Cathy, because we are all misfits at 924.org. Also, I think Rickmac would make the scariest woman known to man.
dwak
PS And then there is the mysterious Adie the Throp, the 924 girl who makes us guys look like girlie-men.

[ This Message was edited by: dwak on 2002-07-24 13:07 ]

[Cbass]

The Adiemobile

[Rick MacLaren]

Dwak: If I'd kept the goatee, grown a pot-belly and shoved a giant bag of marbles in my pants, I would've been even scarier...I'd have looked like Gloria Steinam or Phyllis Chesler.

Cathy: lol Thanks for the reply. Very cute! Sigh. Well, I, one of the 'testosterone laden' grey-haired mid-life weak-ego'ed male types, am gonna drive down to the golf store and try to avoid being hit, shot or spat upon by one of the angry 'estrogen infused', feminist-brainwashed-hot-flash-pre-menopausal knuckle-dragging stress bags that blame the world for (a) having more nipple hair than the family dog (b) being passed over for promotion in favour of a more attractive younger female or (c) having an extra two pounds of ankle cellulite.

Love that double-edge...

Reading all this sweet gender talk is tiring me out! It's kind of wasteful though, cause, after all, given enough time, all women who age normally end up looking more and more like old men anyhow!

J/K! :wink:

[ This Message was edited by: Rick MacLaren on 2002-07-25 05:15 ]

[ltgland]

"men really learn to ask for directions face to face"

WHAT!! ask for directions??
Cathy, you dont know how difficult that is for a man who is NOT in a foreign country.
Must be the testosterone

[Cbass]

Give us the Word Rick!

Actually, I think the worst drivers are the wannabe "rednecks" in their pickups. Maybe this is just where I live, but these guys like to pretend they are from Texas or Arizona or something. They follow it like a fashion or something.

[cathy]

Rick,
Of course, not all..."older"... men are uncouth mid-life crisis having freakos. The REAL men, the ones who know that a woman likes a bit of grey on the temples and a competent, "can do" attitude... the guys who work on their own unique and beautiful cars rawther than pay 70K in hopes of young broads giving them the eye... those are the kind of guys most women REALLY like!!! (And country music cross-dressers, for the more perverse, of course). Real cool men who understand that it's GREAT to be older and more experienced, even if they no longer possess washboard abs... and who don't all think women over thirty are hags. You know what I mean, I know you do.

I really hate the hotflash having, SUV driving, crazed dyejob wearing women behind the wheel out there, too. The kind that will get on your ass when you're in the MIDDLE lane of the highway and doing 65mph... but won't go around, and feel the need to ride your (much lower) bumper with their fuel-hogging, crappy-handling, shopping-mall-with-a-vengeance machines. I loathe these dames, don't think I don't notice my sisters out there giving all women behind the wheel a bad name!!!

I just wanted to make sure that the whole "vanity mirror" thing works both ways... as does the yucko driver thing. I have had occasion to have old "boomer" types give me smug looks while sitting at lights in areas such as Woodstock, NY (my brother-in-law lives there... chock full of pseudo yuppies who can afford tremendous cars but don't seem to appreciate cars older than 2000 models).

There is a whole world out there who have yet to acknowledge the beauty of the 924 (and it's brethren). Some are the icky "Donnas" (Click and Clack term), some are the "Chips" who are trying desperately to impress with their wheels and not looking inwardly to see what women really like.

You don't happen to look like Sam Elliott or anything, do you?

[8trdrvr]

while we are on the topic of women drivers...

My last Captain was a women. In command of a 50,000 pound aircraft with 50 people behind us. I didnt look at her as a girl, until after the flight when we went to dinner. But while at work, it was HER aircraft, i looked at her as my captain. In command. It is said women make better pilots because they are better multi-taskers than men. I enjoyed the pairing.

I cant vouch for women drivers. i seem to get cut off by an even amount of males and females.