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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: |
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944 Turbo = 951. I was being generic. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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gegge

Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 1124 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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I just got a brand new K26/8 from a Porsche 951 with the same bearing house. According to the Russian website it use the same axle and my plan it to see if it is possible to relace tho turbine housing. I will let you know if if fits. _________________ Carl Fredrik Torkildsen
924 turbo -81 Carrera GT RESTOMOD
924 turbo -80 Dolomite De Luxe
924 -85 DP kit, BBS RS, M030 and tuned engine
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Rasta Monsta

Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 11733 Location: PacNW
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't jump on this bandwagon until Dan has the prototype successfully plumbed and running. It will take quite a bit of engineering to reach d.d. reliability, IMO. _________________ Toofah King Bad
- WeiBe (1987 924S 2.5t) - 931 S3
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Rasta Monsta wrote: | | I wouldn't jump on this bandwagon until Dan has the prototype successfully plumbed and running. It will take quite a bit of engineering to reach d.d. reliability, IMO. |
Don't understand your concern. The bearing housing itself is identical, and it is a direct replacement for the interfaces to the turbine housing and compressor housing, as well as the top and bottom oil lines. As for the water-cooled aspect of it, it receives normal flow of oil, so even if you don't want to run the water initially, you can still run the turbo just like a stock 931 unit, with no water. There are even some 951 guys that delete the water-cooled component (although exactly why is beyond me).
And what's with the super tiny disclaimer in your sig? _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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Rasta Monsta

Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 11733 Location: PacNW
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:03 am Post subject: |
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I simply think that getting the water cooled portion of the unit working reliably is going to take some work.
As for the sig, those to whom it pertains will know my meaning upon reading it. _________________ Toofah King Bad
- WeiBe (1987 924S 2.5t) - 931 S3
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gegge

Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 1124 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:42 am Post subject: |
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Good news!
I do confirm that a K26/8 from a Porsche 944 Turbo S fits bolt on. Only thing you have to do is to remove the #8 turbine housing and exchange it for your 931 hotside. I have measured the turbine wheel and turbine housing and they match! I do recomend using a 931 #6 hot side.
The "hybrid" is good for 300 hp and you get an instant 10-20 hp. The reason is becauce the turbo is now working with 75% efficiency instead of 60%.
As a bonus you get the option to watercool as well.
The easiest DIY hybrid ever!!! _________________ Carl Fredrik Torkildsen
924 turbo -81 Carrera GT RESTOMOD
924 turbo -80 Dolomite De Luxe
924 -85 DP kit, BBS RS, M030 and tuned engine
924s -86 Black on black turbo with Fuchs |
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morghen

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 9095 Location: Romania
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:45 am Post subject: |
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| gegge wrote: | Good news!
I do confirm that a K26/8 from a Porsche 944 Turbo S fits bolt on. Only thing you have to do is to remove the #8 turbine housing and exchange it for your 931 hotside. I have measured the turbine wheel and turbine housing and they match! I do recomend using a 931 #6 hot side.
The "hybrid" is good for 300 hp and you get an instant 10-20 hp. The reason is becauce the turbo is now working with 75% efficiency instead of 60%.
As a bonus you get the option to watercool as well.
The easiest DIY hybrid ever!!! |
nice...for how much do the necesary parts sell generaly? _________________ Supercharger and EFI kits
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Mike924

Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 2601 Location: IoW UK
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:49 am Post subject: |
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Hey, Morghen, you thinking dropping one in your machine?
I thought you were getting rid of it...?  _________________ 1985 Porsche 924 'Lux', Kalahari Beige (my ex)
1993 Porsche 968 Coupe, Midnight Blue, 6 spd
'There is no substitute for a little grease under your fingernails.' - Chrenan, 924board.org |
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| Rasta Monsta wrote: | | I simply think that getting the water cooled portion of the unit working reliably is going to take some work. |
Why would this be any more difficult than what you've already put in place on your liquid-to-air intercooler? It's essentially identical with respect to creating the water circuit, and overall is simpler because it doesn't require a separate heat exchanger.
All that's required to plumb it in are two tees (a cold side feed and a hot side return) in the existing water circuit (along with the associated hoses), and an electric pump. The Davies Craig aux pump is the route I plan to go, but there's no reason you couldn't also use the stock 944 electric pump and relay, which provides the run-after-shut-down feature. There are probably plenty of other alternatives as well. I just don't see the difficulty. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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morghen

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 9095 Location: Romania
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| Mike924 wrote: | Hey, Morghen, you thinking dropping one in your machine?
I thought you were getting rid of it...?  |
no..not selling it anymore and yea i'm thinking of upgrading it a bit...i'm phoning my porsche parts guy in germany !! _________________ Supercharger and EFI kits
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Rasta Monsta

Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 11733 Location: PacNW
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:50 am Post subject: |
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Fine, I'm sure everything will work out just perfectly on your first attempt. _________________ Toofah King Bad
- WeiBe (1987 924S 2.5t) - 931 S3
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tuurbo

Joined: 08 Aug 2007 Posts: 1446 Location: East Windsor, New Jersey
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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Blaze that trail Ideola! There's no other way to find out than to just do the actual install and see where it takes you.
I was thinking I'd like this water cooled feature on my soon-to-be-rebuilt turbo primarily because I want a cooler operating unit - it should result in better flow. It always kind of pissed me off too that our turbo was always hot on shut down and the 944 turbo was appropriately cool.
The worry I have about the plumbing is making sure there's enough room down there to work on the thing - getting it in and out without fanfare, and coolant all over my face, because on this next install, my budget and my pride are telling me it's going to be me doing it, and not the garage. Damn!
 _________________ 1980 924 turbo, MSD, Meth. Inj, otherwise stock. |
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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tuurbo,
While I don't have my engine in the car, looking at the orientation of the bearing housing and the water fittings, it really doesn't appear that it will complicate things that much.
I'm still evaluating what type of connector to go with on the "back" side of the bearing housing, the one that will end up "underneath" the bracket that bolts onto the block. Due to the angle of the block, accessibility should be fairly decent (all things considered), and there is plenty of room even for an elbow, based on my test fits on the engine stand.
The other alternative is a banjo style fitting. I may try to source some used 951 lines (if I can find 'em cheap) just to see if they might be adaptable. Otherwise, I'll probably just go with standard AN style adapters and fittings. TBD.
I have other priorities right now (#1 is getting the rotating assembly balanced so I can start assembly, and #2 is getting the head work done). I'll circle back around to the turbo once the engine is together, but I seriously cannot see what all the fuss is about. It's literally two tees, two lines, a pump and a relay. It's certainly nowhere near as complicated as a meth injection kit or L2A intercooler...I'd say it's not even as complicated than the preluber I installed on the 941, and I got that right the first time. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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tuurbo

Joined: 08 Aug 2007 Posts: 1446 Location: East Windsor, New Jersey
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Well that's excellent - I only brought up that point because I've never seen how the 951 unit hooks up or how much junk there is down there - I just know ours is tight - but what you say sounds good to me - I'm probably going to give it a try if the budget can take it.
The methanol injection wasn't all that bad in terms of complexity - the pump and solenoid gets triggered by a pressure switch - but I see your point - in your case it's a switch just the same turning on (or off) the pump or the pump runs continuously - either way, shouldn't be too complicated. Besides, if they can do it with the 951 it oughtta be possible here.
So in those pictures you gave, had the coatings been done at that stage? I forget what I read! (old age) _________________ 1980 924 turbo, MSD, Meth. Inj, otherwise stock. |
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| tuurbo wrote: | | So in those pictures you gave, had the coatings been done at that stage? I forget what I read! (old age) |
Yes, the coatings had been applied. I got the j-pipe, exhaust manifold and turbine housing all ceramic coated. I am planning to also do the exhaust pipe (from the wastegate to the cat) in a second round of coatings with a local supplier. I have a buttload of parts to get powder coated, and I have a complete second set of manifold+j-pipe+exhaust pipe that needs to be done, so I'll do those all together at the same time. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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