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sparky
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OOTB, love it! absolutely love it!
Heck at the beginning of all this i actually asked nicely for some parts worth less that what you owe me.. let me repeat that as you seem to be intellectually challenged.. YOU OWE ME now how on earth do you justify your claims that I am trying to get free parts.. when i actually sent you funds? I feel like i am speaking to a 4 year old, but that is a bit unfair.. a 4 year old does try to listen!
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PORSCHEV
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Big pile of BS I say.
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flosho
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D Hook
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | (Just a reminder in case anyone forgot: All information, claims, threats, etc, etc, etc in these posts and this forum regarding Northeast Auto Inc and/or David Mandache and any affiliates will be saved for future reference and possible legal documentation).
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Not too worried.....lawyers always ask for the money up front and that ain't gonna' happen.
BTW, why does Sparky (Mark) have credibility here you ask? Because:
1. I ordered something from him awhile back.
2. I paid for it via Paypal.
3. He shipped me the goods.
4. I was satisfied and got what I ordered.
You did the same but forgot steps 3 and 4.
Oh, and btw, Rennlist and Pelican are both linked to this thread. Don't plan on sending the kids to Harvard, even though I know you're an alum of that business school, aren't you?
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Rasta Monsta
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:26 am Post subject: |
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He should consult his own lawyer before threatening legal action to diffuse accusations of fraud.
rasta monsta, J.D.
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Peter_in_AU
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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In the interests of having everything in public view here's an email I received tonight from Chris and my response:
| Chris @ Northeast Auto Inc. wrote: |
> Thanks Peter, and I'm not sure I'm sending this to the
> right person, but if not can you please see that it's
> delivered to the proper admin or mod)
> To who it may concern:
> I will not be staying here on 924.org, since the main
> reason I joined was to shed some light on some very
> inaccurate accusations that some of your users have
> made about our company, Northeast Auto Inc.
> If you haven't already, please read through my posts,
> and the thread regarding this concern.
> Some of your users, mainly Mark Berman aka "sparky" on
> 924.org and several other buddies that he's loaded on
> to his BS bandwagon will be held responsible for their
> slanderous accustions and false claims.
> It is completely unnecessary.
> What happened is very simple: Mark Berman purchased a
> set of 968 calipers from us. He sent the $620 payment
> via PayPal. The very next day, PayPal put a
> restriction on our account (absolutely nothing to do
> with our customers, but what they called a "linked
> account", which doesn't make any sense because we've
> always used a single account).
> Regardless, this restriction on our account made it
> impossible to transfer any funds or provide refunds.
> There were 3 transactions that day, Sep 29, 2006 and 1
> transaction the following day. Over $4000 was sent to
> our account for various purchases.
> I contacted every customer about this matter, and
> after asking PayPal numerous times to refund my
> buyers, they finally did. I showed proof of this in my
> posts.
> I have provided all details and the corresponding
> PayPal transaction ID's and dates in my posts.
> However, it seems to be a waste of time, and the
> mindset customer, Mark Berman (sparky) and his buddies
> insist on slandering us and our company, while
> claiming that only a partial refund was received, not
> to mention he is asking for free parts due to his
> supposed loss with PayPal (for which he holds us
> responsible).
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> I'm not sure if you needed to hear this or not, and
> whether or not you're already following the thread,
> but I felt it was necessary that it was brought to
> your attention.
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> Thank you,
> Chris @ Northeast Auto Inc.
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And my reply to him was:
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Hi Chris,
Yes, I am the administrator of 924board.org. I also administer the server it runs on and I am a principal in the company that owns the server. Before we go to the next level I must point out that the server, the company that owns it and I are all based in Australia and not, as much as you might wish, subject to US laws. Oh, and here at least, "slanderous" relates to the spoken word, "libelous" relates to the written word which is what we're talking about
Now that we have established my legal status in this matter let's talk about Mark Berman's problem. As I see it he paid money into your nominated account (PayPal) and did not receive the goods he paid for. When he complained about this he got some but not all of his money back. Did I miss something? Anything else is bullshit. Things may work differently on your planet.
Now, if he had paid the money into your bank account and your bank took the money because you were overdrawn would you claim that he had to try and get a refund from your bank because you didn't have the money?
As far as I can see Mark Berman's suggestion that you make good by sending him some other parts to cover what you still owe him is very reasonable.
Another thing to consider is that as the discussion board gets hit by all the major Internet search engine robots on a weekly basis in a couple of weeks anyone doing a Google search on you will hit this thread.
I'd suggest you just make this right.
Regards,
Peter.
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PORSCHEV
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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It's intresting to note that Chris @northeast auto REALLY does think he is in the right. He refuses to acknowledge the paypal screenshot from sprarky...why is that???
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D Hook
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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WOW! Thanks for posting that Peter. I really didn't expect to see the term "BS" so many times today!
I wonder if there's anyway to put a link to this thread in an ebay negative feedback?
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Min
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| PORSCHEV wrote: | | It's intresting to note that Chris @northeast auto REALLY does think he is in the right. He refuses to acknowledge the paypal screenshot from sprarky...why is that??? |
And still refuses my request to post a paypal screenshot of his own. I find that part of this situation mildly amusing.
Min
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Chrenan
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:31 am Post subject: |
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Nicely written Peter!
This guy is getting bashed on all the major Porsche boards, and it is nothing new. Its too bad Sparky didn't know his rep before doing "business" with him.
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OutOfTheBox
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sparky
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:45 am Post subject: |
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Hey guys,
Unsurprisingly i am getting use to those sorts of words from Northeast Auto.. here is the very interesting thing, David from northeast auto actually acknowledged that i only got a partial refund, while chris is swearing blind that i got a full refund.. definately another hickup they have made.. shall i post a snippit from davids email just to make everything clearer than daylight? 
Thanks everyone for sticking by the facts and not swallowing any of this dribble..
Very well put peter.. I presume you didnt get a reply to that did you?
OOTB, you crack me up!
I feel so stupid not doing my research first about this guy, but hey.. i learnt the hard way and it will always be a valuable lesson.. for now I am focused on getting all the facts together for the Georgia Consumer Affairs office..
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sparky
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:34 am Post subject: |
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SON OF A BITCH!
He has just outdone himself again! That is the exact same text and pics that he had on the auction i won.. (ok actually i lost on that auction in the long run..)
M-Effer!
Same ebay name and all.. hope the georgia consumer dept get this guy!
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gohim
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Incase you guys don't remember, eBay and PayPal are the same company.
When PayPal is notified that they are helping a Scammer rip-off honest people, they don't care. eBay and PayPal get their fees up front. Both the Crooks, and the Victims are paying them when something goes wrong.
In the case of Sparky, and NE Auto, PayPal and eBay are operating as a Pyramid Scheme with NE Auto. eBay takes a percentage for helping NE Auto find and rip off new victims. Then PayPal takes a service charge (percentage) from each amount transfered to the NE Auto PayPal Account as payments for items sold on eBay by NE Auto. They have restricted NE Auto from withdrawing funds from the account, but they don't warn, or stop new victims from sending additional money to the NE Auto Account. Then, PayPal uses the money from the NE Auto Account to repay the earlier victims of NE Scams. PayPal takes a Service Charge from the money being returned to the NE Auto Victim, and another Service Charge from the NE Auto Account for repaying the NE Auto Victim.
The cause of the problem is NE Auto's Dishonest Business Practices. BUT don't hold PayPal or eBay harmless. eBay continues to let NE Auto place auctions on eBay. Then PayPal took part of Sparky's money when they accepted it on behalf of NE Auto. Then, PayPal used Sparky's money to repay some of NE Auto's previous victims (taking another Service Charge from the Victims as they return part of the money). Did you check out the screen shots? The Victims that were repaid got their money, minus a percentage to PayPal as a Service Charge. I do not call that a full refund myself. Each time PayPal made a refund, they also charged NE Auto a Service Charge for making the refund.
So who made all the money here? At a certain point, NE Auto stopped getting the money they were trying to steal from people. PayPal took and continues to take a significant percentage of all the money they accept from people for NE Auto, knowing that the people sending the money will never get their stuff, or all of their money back, and that they may get no money back at all.
eBay has not suspended NE Auto from doing business. Heck, from eBay's point of view, why should they as long as NE Auto pays their eBay Fees each month. And from PayPal's point of view, why should they stop accepting money for NE Auto? PayPal claiming they are earning Service Fees three ways each time someone sends any money to NE Auto's Account. The people who are getting screwed are the ones who are sending the money to NE Auto. So the Criminal (NE Auto), and his accomplices (eBay and PayPal) will continue to get richer at the expense of the people who do not know what is going on. And this is the reason that coming forward when you get ripped-off and posting messages on this message board and others can help prevent the continued theft by the above mentioned parties.
How do I know that this is how it works? I was a victim of another Serial Scam Artist, and I worked my way through the eBay And PayPal Buyer Protection, and Insurance Services when I got ripped off. I found out how it works, after I got ripped off several times. When I use PayPal to pay Sellers now, I always use a Credit Card to pay PayPal, because I can go back to the Credit Card Company to recover my money if the Seller is a Scammer. Last year, I had to go back to my credit card company about 12 times when Sellers ripped me off. eBay and PayPal did nothing to help to recover my potential losses. I paid PayPal by Bank Transfer 3-4 times last year, and unfortunately, all of the those transactions were rip-offs, and I didn't get the money back from any of them. Fortunately all of the transactions were less than $30 each, so I didn't lose that much money.
Buying through the Internet will always be risky. I pay some people by USPS Money Order. None of the those transactions over the past 10 years has gone bad. I get ripped-off as a Buyer over PayPal about once every other month. As a Seller, Nigerian Scammers try to rip me off several times a week.
eBay FeedBack Histories are not that valuable as an indicator of the honesty or a Seller or Buyer. Scammers from both sides threaten legitimate Sellers and Buyers with Fake Retaliatory Negative Feedback's. As a result of eBay And PayPal's refusal to follow their own guidelines and policys governing Retaliatory Negative FeedBack, many/most honest eBay Members are not posting Negative FeedBack when a Transaction goes bad. Look at the number of members on this message board who do not post when another member rips them off, and the way that "friends" of the Scammers come forward to flame the guys who are complaining that they have been ripped-off.
Are eBay and PayPal conduits for Scams and Rip-offs?
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