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Tiny · Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 502 Location: London, UK

Ok - For all who want a laugh....
Here is the lighting situation as I found it:

What wonderful use of office stationery labelling equipment!

You can imagine how fun it is to switch the ignition off (whilst accidentally flipping a batman switch) and returning to the car later with no juice in the battery...

I have been stripping down PO's work, and reinstating the electrics as I go, but I would really like to know where to begin here.

My porsche headlight switch does this:
position 1 - OFF
position 2 - sidelights ON (headlights down)
position 3 - sidelights ON + headlights UP and ON

The blue batman switch has a direct battery connection to the headlights (whether up or down)

The red batman switch has a direct battery connection to a rear fog light placed below the centre of the rear bumper.

I have no front flasher too, which really sucks.

Could someone please tell me how the lights are supposed to work on this car??!

Any help on this issue would be really appreciated, as I look forward to getting rid of these auxilary switches!!

i am getting more used to looking at wiring diagrams now, but still not finding them a breeze.

Thanks
Tiny
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chris24 · Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject:

I love a modded car! That's great.
I never could get those letter punch things to work though.

So the usual light switch lifts, lowers and switches on the side and main beam lights when you want them. And the left stalk switches from dipped to main. If it works then I would dispose of batman blue. Batman red, well, do you want the modded rear foglight? Does the original still work?

My flasher works by flashing the sidelights (brighter) and headlights to main beam when you pull back on the left lever.

Batman's horn...is that because it has a modded steering wheel on without a horn push?

...and wiring diagrams make sense to me slowly. I'm talking days here.

And direct battery connections? Is that an unsafe thing or is there a relay involved somewhere along the line?

Good luck.
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seanski44 · Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 532 Location: Nottingham UK

looks like the PO had a problem with the connections to the stalks! - I'm guessing he's wired up the blue toggle switch as a main beam switch, which normally is activated with the lefthand stalk on the steering wheel column. As Chris has said.

I wonder if he had an intermittent problem and wired these in to stop him/herself losing headlights when driving along in the dark.... Beware when you remove them and give the system a good old test - or else carry a high power maglight with you in the cockpit at night...
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dagabba · Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 73 Location: UK

Woohoo! Hello fellow londonner!

Gab
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Tiny · Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 502 Location: London, UK

Thanks Guys,

So, it's the left stalk which should be doing more than the turning indicators!

Also, my indicators don't manually switch back off when re centring the the streering wheel after making a turn.

My flasher doesn't work when i pull back the lever.

I did wonder what the extra bulbs were, next to the sidelights.

There's no relay involved in any of the direct battery connections.

Hi Dagabba here i am!

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Ozzie · Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:56 pm Post subject:

Sounds like what mine was like when I got it.
The headlights should pop up and come on like they do. So far so good.
The indicator stalk should hook onto a switch on the wiper control and if the indicator switch has been removed it is possible to refit without doing it.
(I did this myself)
The indicator switch may be stuffed anyway and if it has been pulled apart is a real pain to get together again if you haven't seen it before. (dont ask)
When the high beam is on the headlights will come on high, as well as the front fog lights in the bumper if the switch is on.
The switch being in front of the ash tray.
If the headlights are down the fog lights will flash if the switch is on (I leave mine on) and the flash is pulled.

The horn may need to be reconnected to the back of the column again, another reason why I think the indicator switch is shot.
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dagabba · Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 73 Location: UK

Hi. Don't think I can help with wiring (yikes) but I was just wonderring if you have CY6 listed as one of your options (I reckon it means white paint but the options decoder doesn't list it?

Gab
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Stampedetrail · Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 274 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska

So, is there any problem with getting the headlights back down? Possibly one of the switches puts them down?
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Tiny · Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 502 Location: London, UK

Hello All,

Appreciate all the input - maybe this'll help get closer

When I pull on the indicator stalk, I get the blue fog light dashboard light come on. As soon as I release the spring loaded stalk, the light goes off. However, this does not activate the front fog lights, whether the headlights are up or down.

I haven't actually tried it in conjunction with the switch infront of the ashtray, but i will

I remember when I refitted the indicator stalk (after checking on the steering wheel play) that the indicator stalk needed to sit properly on this pull switch which is what i think ozzie has described.

dagabba, i'm not sure where to check for the CY6 listing.

stampedetrail, when i switch the porsche headlight switch to the 1 - OFF position, the headlights will go back down.

let me know what you think - is my indicator - pullswitch - operating correctly?

Tiny
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Ozzie · Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject:

Check your fuses and your headlight relay as well.
I don't think you mentioned which yr model you have?

sorry - just read it at the bottom.
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dagabba · Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 73 Location: UK

It's on the sticker in the boot just next to your spare wheel. Lists all your option codes which can be quite fun to decode using the decoder on this site's links page. I found, for instance, that I apparently have a lowered chassis which is quite cool. But, I also found three codes which the decoder doesn't know and am therefore trying to find out what they mean.

Thanks or the help, if you would like to see how the lights are meant to function you'd be welcome to pop round sometime (I'm in west London-Acton) though I'd prefer if you didn't start taking things apart so I don't know how useful that would be.

Gab
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Slam · Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:33 am Post subject:

I really understand what you're going through with this. I've just finished redoing the light switch and headlight motor wiring in my early 944. It's more complicated than it looks. And judging from what I see in your photos, yours will be a bear. Love POs. Check out on-line wiring diagrams at www.pelicanparts.com (the early 944 and 924 are very similar) and get the Haynes manual if you don't have it. And break things down one issue at a time, one step at a time.

Your light switch is doing what it should - pos 1 off and headlights retract, pos 2 marker lights and dash lights, pos 3 headlights up and on. The blue batman switch is functionally okay. The red one I don't get. And isn't the light switch supposed to be on the other side of the steering column?
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Tiny · Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 502 Location: London, UK

heres the only way i can get the flashers to work....

with the headlights in the raised position, when i pull on the indicator stalk, it flashes the bulbs which are in the raised headlight area....and the dashboard fog light flashes with it.

when i have been flashed by other 924 drivers during the day (acknowledged by other other 924's on the road) ....it's their lights in their bumpers flash (while their headlights are in the down position)....this is how i want mine to work..

so i checked in the bumpers, and found 2 sets of bulbs...the sidelights...and another set....which i am not sure of.

are my flashers supposed to be connected to my bumpers bulbs, like the other 2 924s that i've seen?

thanks
tiny

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Jaf · Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 194 Location: Oria. Spain

Ozzie · Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:46 am Post subject:

Not sure if it is standard to all UK models but the lights on my bumper are connected to the high beam.
If the switch on the centre console is on they will flash or come on with high beam.
The park light has a 55w bulb (H3?) in it as well as the park light.
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Its AUTO and its BLACK
Montego Black on black/red
Engineer of Electro/Mechanical Systems Maintenance