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[dpw928]

[quote="Stampedetrail" I wouldn't be surprised if there was some consultation going on back in '71 with Porsche.[/quote]

Considering the Porsche project number of 924 is four earlier than the 928 which started in 72, the 71 consultation and similarities in design is a good likelyhood.

Dennis
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81 931 5 sp
78 928 5 sp Silver
78 928 AT Euro Black

[Rukh]

The 928 was started first then stopped and finished later, the 924 was started after but finished first - hence the numbering.
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Josh, CPN

[dpw928]

Josh,

Whenever the Porsche engineers are given a project there is a number assigned. The numbers are sequential and started with number 900 for the 911. With the 911 being an exception, if the project made it to production, the car was named after the project number. i.e. the project 924 was assigned to the VW EA-425 before the 928 project was assigned to the engineers. If you can find a copy of Projeck 928 they talk about the earlier 924 project in the introduction. BTW everyone is waiting to see how Porsche will number their cars after the project 999.

Dennis
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81 931 5 sp
78 928 5 sp Silver
78 928 AT Euro Black

[Rukh]

Of course I know about Porsche's system of numbering their projects. Interestingly, though perhaps not surprisingly, I got different information than you have from a different source. When you start talking about things that happened long ago, some people's memories may not be entirely accurate.

Without saying you are right or I am wrong, here is what I have read, in may sources, but this is specifically from Porsche Legends by Randy Leffingwell, drawn from interviews with Tony Lapine and others directly involved with the 928 and 924 projects (paraphrased):

Tony Lapine was assigned to the project that was to become the as yet unnamed 928 in early 1971, due to fear that the 911 would be declared illegal in the USA. Lapine was originally assisted on the "911-Successor" project by Wolfheim Gorrissen who was later replaced by Helmut Flegl in 1974. By 1975, Porsche had already placed the 928 on the backburner, placing the EA425 ahead of it as a priority to complete (as VW was paying a fair sum to Porsche for the engineering work, and basically paying for the Weissach facility), and later VW had already gone through all their drama deciding that they did not want EA425. At this point in time, the 928 was stillborn, Project 924 was the priority for Porsche to get on the market, and only when Ernst Fuhrmann returned to Porsche did he reinject life into Project 928 so it could be completed. Since the 924 was ready first, it went to market first, and the 928 followed - even though it had paved the way, inspirationally speaking.

I am interested to read what you have read, I will have to check for that book.
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Josh, CPN

[Rukh]

I hope that didn't come across as snarky or disrespectful - it wasn't intended to be.
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Josh, CPN

[dpw928]

Josh,

No offense observed or taken. I believe the differences in time lines is due to the perceptions of when it became a Porsche car project compared to when a sequential number was assigned to work on a VW project. The same number was used, but there is a 4 or five year difference. BTW even the Harley Davidson V-Rod motor was assigned a 9XX project number when Porsche developed the engine.

Dennis
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81 931 5 sp
78 928 5 sp Silver
78 928 AT Euro Black

[Khal]

I've seen this conversation somewhere before...
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'80 924 Turbo

[dpw928]

Kahl,

Yep, here and on Rennlist. BTW I haven't seen a thread on the 924 engine being build by AMC lately. Who's dropped the ball?

Dennis
Think I'm gonna hide out for a while
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81 931 5 sp
78 928 5 sp Silver
78 928 AT Euro Black

[D Hook]

Larso hasn't been around for quite some time now. He was pretty vocal about the subject.
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'80 924 n/a SOLD

[seanski44]

hmmm not to pour petrol on the flames or anything, but I'm sure in Michael Cotton's book (924/44/68 or whatever its called, my copy's in storage!) he says that although the 928 was prior to the 924 they changed the numbering to reflect the cylinder count...

as Clarkson says (Top Gear '06) "...the one with the van engine..."
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1998 BMW Z3 2.8 arctic silver & red

1981 168HP 931 S2 blue/tan leather - SOLD
1985 121HP 924 2.0l na modded - SOLD!
1992 968 lux SOLD
1989 944 2.7 lux SOLD

[dpw928]

The 4 (924) and 8 (928) cylinder myth has been circulating quite a while. Just went back and reread the Projekt 928 and on page 21 they mention the Dr approved the 928 on his birthday in Oct 71 and about the same time VW approved the 924/EA425 project. The 924/EA425 project was proposed in early 71 when the decision was made to discontinue the 914. Sorry to burst some bubbles/myths, but all the Porsche numbers are sequential with the exception of the 911's and they would have been 900 except another automaker already had that as a model number.

Dennis
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81 931 5 sp
78 928 5 sp Silver
78 928 AT Euro Black

[ushawk1]

Wow, I never knew the SP2 existed. I like it, now I need to figure out how to get one. It looks like a 1970 Maserati Ghilbli, and I really don't see much Porsche design in it. It looks like it has more Italian flair in it, not German. Maybe because I am not a fanatical radical extreme ludicrous VW/Porsche person like you guys seem to be.


Damn, after seeing what mint SP2's sale for, and I am sure of the costs to smuggle one into the US, it would probably be cheaper to go buy the Maserati.
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[seanski44]