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ESC944
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 Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:39 am Post subject: |
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It's simple enough - want to have a discussion about something fine, got an issue with something I say or anyone from my crew - ignore it
If its technical in nature - post a counter argument not some BS:
| -Nick wrote: | | You are absolute trash. Get off this board. |
Dude - face it you can't I cant tell you how to fix each little POS part that fails on the car and you cant tell me jack S#$t about performance building, boost or any of the rest of it.
This board is not private property and not yours - that is rather pompus of you.
The only thing you seem to like defending is the spend money on 931 - not on a 924 - brilliant advice.
That and your proposed filtering out the BS.
You call it the voice of reason - yea ok - numbers dont lie - their are two ways of doing something - pay someone to do it or do it yourself.
Now - you dont seem to be having luck with either, lets set that aside -
Lets say you want an intercooler - like yourself - you can get a used one or new one that is a close fit and adapt it and reap the rewards or sorrow if it fails.
Seems sound - now if we all know that intercoolers work, some better than others - hemm and not just me but others say - this works or these work better - you still have something to say:
| -nick wrote: | | The intercooler poll started off as a promising post looking for owner feedback, but then quickly moved again into: "this is what I plan on building, which I'm going to be selling soon, look how good my work is, sign up now for a group buy, etc." |
Funny I looked at it and it clearly says it was posted in response to request from board member - gee - you speaking from everyone or disappointed that our plans and the general concept of the best intercooler for the application doesn't match with yours?
Noticed you started your thread about your intercooler 3 days after the one I started - right around the time I asked if anyone was interested in us supplying or building them or a group buy.
Seem to me I was trying to facilitate everyones needs and keep the cost down - seems to me that serves the greater good, not bitchin' about it being a damn commercial post -
Oh I know maybe I should tell you how to weld up an intercooler and make it work for you car?
Want a how to guide or some such, maybe I should other a complete how to improve boosted performance for the complete idiot or some such in the weeds how to manual.... oh wait their are books about that stuff and I posted links and pics of those same books.
Have I posted thread after thread of how to - except down to the you need a tig welder or you need a mig and you take this part and you weld it to that part - nope - but I sure came darn close -
Seems to me if you can weld you can make your own stuff - for the cost of parts and supplies. Cheap enough - works for all kinds of people and has for longer than you been alive or me.
Maybe I need to teach you how to weld? Show you where to source the cheapest end tanks and intercooler cores - or how about - i just use my buisness license to buy stuff as low cost as possible and pass the savings on - hemm if you where all about helping everyone why arent you doing that?
Instead of locating deals on retail products or asking if its worth it to spend 100 dollars to bump performance.
Dude get over yourself ...
I need to accept critism and you know what - seems to me when you talk about the technical aspects I dont recall problems with that - but when you out of hand dismiss an idea cause it came from me - well since I seem to be a thief of intellectual property - how about you try and tell us all how Bell and other like him or the guys who built the Fog Town Rocket and Indian Red and Heavy Huffer are full of it.
Or how about the guys arleady boostin these cars - yea their idiots - maybe Bob from BAE yea he and his later team of engineers didnt have a clue, same with Callaway, How about Accel, they made generic turbo kits.
How about the guy who built the first log turbo manifold, how about the guy who built the first log intake manifold.
Get over yourself, just cause I say anyone can do it - yea I say that a lot - anyone even your skeptic self - can if you apply yourself or just tell someone who has the skills what you want.
Does a hotter ignition work? How about timing advance? Bumping the compression? Shaving the head... you ask those questions - so if I give you the same answer or someone from my crew as someone else - you going to claim we stole that or we are idiots or salesmen or some such?
Get over yourself - like a damn peacock - I atleast have a mission - make the cars better for everyone - facilitate affordable solutions, build them, design them, buy them or adapt them - but make it work -
Guess you want everyone to pay full retail for everything, or give up on their 924 NA and buy a 924 turbo.
Or maybe its when I build something or have it built or design it and have it machined and then assemble it - any or all of those - thats when its pure BS right - cant possible work. Cause I havent shown it on the 924 NA. No point to blazing a trail and encuraging people to built their cars up, spend some money have fun with it, do it responsably and you can make it last.
Oh wait - hemm thats folly - yea thats why guys like Seq. buy 924 NA blocks and build them up.
Oh yea - sheer folly to give your 924 NA as much power as a stock 924 turbo. Delude myself into thinking you cant do it cheap... you love to delete and exclude complete statements to twist words - and then cite and instance - hemm if I say I did it for this much and you can expect to pay this much - thats some kind of BS statement - that cold hard truth and I even state that if you have to pay someone to do it, it cost should cost this much.
DIY is cheaper than Pay someone to do it.
A stock NA motor almost every motor ever built can take 6 PSI if timing and fuel, along with charge temp is controlled.
The condition of the motor you start with dicatates your limits. As does chasing 200, 250 or 300 hp from a 924 turbo.
Now as for a ACG as you stated - they work. I said that already.
Course you wouldnt believe me if I dump a truck load of data on your door step and had national endorsement. |
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ESC944
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| Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:01 am Post subject: |
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oh yea those posts are nice and long and all crazy all over the place yep yep lots of ammo - dude go on you can do it - pick and choose your arguements come on you can do it... reach in and grab just a few tid bits and twist them on me and then post them with some snappy response or short retort or whatever floats ya boat...
I know you can do it - oh i know go surf my other posts and threads and extract some real gems and try and make me look bad - of course make sure you state how you are qualified to judge me - post a counter arguement, state on point now ....
Statement of problem/arguement
Purpose of study
Points and counterpoints
Research
Findings
Blah blah blah
Be sure to include those footnotes, reference page, etc...
You have yet not once, not ever in any post against me stated or argued techincal data or results or theory - you just attack me, or complain that something that has worked on a million cars, is BS cause I am involved and have not shown it on a 924.
Or complain that all the data isn't posted to support a recommendation to buy something - well where is yours for or against instead of little jabs at me, Sid or whoever...
Whatever dude - you going to fund the development of new parts?
How about research and field studies to conclude this or that or determine real time failure rates or stress loads of anything for these cars, how abou footing the bill for dyno time for each little thing.
We "the crew" and I am not even speaking completely for them - but anyway we are doing things out of our pocket and in our spare time...
What do you do for the collective good? Filter out BS? Or kill creativity...?
I am sure you atleast contribute to society in some way or the scientific community or whatever it is you do with your life - but me - I have a day job - it isnt porsche performance - but we all have hobbies - maybe thats it, I dont have a shop with my ASE certs hanging on the wall - or some such... whatever.
Oh I know - instead of build the occasional part - I got smart, shopped aruond and outsourced and got a little bigger to help and do more - for less, cause frankly we are operating on our own donated time and money - but damn comdemn us for that.
We are not a buisness looking for a product to get rich off of. Not going to happen with the 924 thats a damn given even you can see that.
We are a group of people who got fed up with over priced parts and started looking for solutions to get more out of the cars, not just maintain them.... well gosh golly gee whiz didnt know that was going to get you bent.
So dont play like its all about some damn post, that was just fuel to the fire -its all about your hatered or disdane or how ever you want to paint it - of us.
I am over angry - its just funny - I am waiting for you to surprise me sometime with something that actually is technical in nature and is for or against a product - not some - you only get minimal gains... blah blah.
oh and for the record - quite a few people have said over and over again that one of the cheapest modifications to these cars is advancing the timing... go figure - guess you missed those posts.
So something that lets you play with timing advance or retard - what a concept - and a tuner tool.
ACG - adjustable cam gears work and for the money not a bad investment and certainly user friendly. |
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ESC944
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| Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:05 am Post subject: |
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Now thats enough said and in everyway I can think of - I am sure you will just cut to the bottom with I am not going to read all of that or something like it and then grab some little gem and rag on that... yep yep and not once address anything with meat about yourself.
Whatever - wow - i didnt offer to sell anything imagine that, i sure didnt talk about the original made for the 924 self adjusting timing gears or adjustable timing gears, that are floating around... or how to make one - like that is hard... ah but someone probably holds the patent....
Thats something useful for you to do NICK go luck up the patent and find out if its safe for someone to make their own -
If not wonder who gets their share from all the ones being made... |
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D Hook
Joined: 02 Nov 2002
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Location: Omaha, NE
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| Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Now, now boys....you're BOTH pretty. 
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ESC944
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| Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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hahahahahaha yep yep - wait who you calling pretty>    |
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jpab924
Joined: 03 Nov 2002
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Location: Crown pt. IN. 50 miles southeast of Chicago Ill.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Ok....what was the orignal thread about????
Easy guys....these flame wars are retarted.......really. |
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jpab924
Joined: 03 Nov 2002
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Location: Crown pt. IN. 50 miles southeast of Chicago Ill.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Oh yeah.....adjustable cam gears.....you get to play with a curve.
HMMMMMM. everyone`s different. Too bad its not plug and play....  |
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john h
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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To Nick and ESC944Guys - I think you guys have wandered off the topic. This was about adjustable cam gears not a chance to attack each other.
I suspect most of the board members don't mind seeing a little bit of banter back and forth but if it comes to a flame war how about just doing it privately or in another venue - say the Pelcian parts board (they seem to like flame wars there) rather than in the general arena.
No one wins intehse flame wars and it uses up space in an otherwise useful topic
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-nick
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| Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:25 am Post subject: |
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Agreed. I edited the posts to just throw out the facts. Not interested in a flame war, just honest discussion.
Anyway, if anyone knows whether cam timing has an effect on EGT's, I'd love to know.
cheers
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OutOfTheBox
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Paul
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| Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: |
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Won't work with the stock distributor since it's driven by the cam.
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OutOfTheBox
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Paul
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| Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Then it will work!
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-nick
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| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:36 am Post subject: |
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The Franco gears are also no longer being made. Not to say you couldn't find one if you look hard enough. To the tune of $400+
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hausbrauen
Joined: 26 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| -nick wrote: | The Franco gears are also no longer being made. Not to say you couldn't find one if you look hard enough. To the tune of $400+
nick |
Don't have to look that hard...
In case you are wondering...no we are not selling this one.
Oh and yes if someone wanted a new one we could have them reproduced. Have already spoken to Franco about it, permission granted.
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