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Which clutch-Does it matter? Why'd she crack?

 
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hayeslewis  



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:39 am    Post subject: Which clutch-Does it matter? Why'd she crack? Reply with quote

Please take a look at these two. I can't figure out how to make a post imbed a photo anymore. I tried Google photos, Amazon, and Imgur

https://imgur.com/Zv11B29


The rusty friend here came out of my other 924 race car, (Red-Might become a prod racer) the clean one came out of my 924 ITB car.

The red car has a snail shell, though i really can't tell if it's a snail shell from a turbo or a NA.

So....

Does anyone know why these two look different and have different part numbers? does it matter? I looked at the 76-79 PET and the 80-85 PET. They have the same part number listed for all the clutches; 4spd, 5spd, Audi, G31... But when I do online searches the interwebs seem to believe that a 931 clutch is not compatible with a 924 clutch. The splines are the same, the measurements seem to be the same...

Bonus points for explaining why the center cracked and the springs fell out. There was a little gap (3-4mm? on the top of the torque tube where it met the bell housing. Previous owner over-torqued the top bolts connecting the torque tube to the bell housing. Could a slightly miss aligned drive shaft lead to the failure? Pilot bearing isn't seized-but will get replaced.

Thanks in advance for all the input.
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924RACR  



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

924 and 931 definitely are not the same clutch, splines are most definitely not the same.
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hayeslewis  



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm, wonder if it's a weirdo that fit but failed? The clutch out of the ITB car looks exactly like the one I got in the fresh clutch kit. I guess that also confirms it's a 924 torque tube and a 924 snailshell?
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1979 924 FP/DP/ITB? "Bibi"
1979 924 ITB #6 "Pam"
2007 Armada
2013 Hyundai Elantra


19?? Cheap Chinese Pedicab with a 1.2HP electric motor "The MULE"
Multi Use Lazy-ass Electric vehicle
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IIRC the easiest way to tell is to count splines - 924 na is 19, 931 is 25...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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924RACR  



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed, or also measure shaft OD if you have calipers...
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