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Tiny
Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 502 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:47 am Post subject: Inner Sill Rust Video - Fix options? |
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Hey Guys,
My O/S Inner Sill is toasted. What are my best economical options to get this fixed?
Here's a video of the area:
https://youtu.be/Eo-jTl9GBg8
Thanks for any help and suggestions. I'm in the UK by the way. _________________ *****1981 - 924 - Auto - London, UK****** |
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morghen
Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 8868 Location: Romania
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:40 am Post subject: |
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oh my, thats some rust ! _________________ https://www.the924.com |
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Carrera RSR
Joined: 08 Jan 2010 Posts: 2309 Location: Somerset, UK
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:15 am Post subject: |
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The only economical way to fix that is to have a close family member with a serious skill in metalwork and owes you his life!! Rear area is structural and will need to be done correctly if you fancy an mot in the future. It’s not just the rust you can see. It’s the extent of rust you can not see until you dig deeper. You cannot weld rust! _________________ 1980 931 - forged pistons, Piper cam, K27/26 3257 6.10 hybrid turbo, 951 FMIC, custom intake, Mittelmotor dizzy & cam pulley, H&S exhaust, GAZ Gold, Fuch'ed, Quaife
Now www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=34690
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Kenodog
Joined: 25 Jun 2003 Posts: 2645 Location: Vancouver,B.C.
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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You might laugh but in all honesty it would be cheaper to fly here, buy a good shelled 924 and have it sent back to the UK. Cargo is about $2500 to send a car from Canada / USA to the UK and it only cost $500-$750 for really good car / shell. Those are prices in dollars mind. My guess is you will spend more than that to fix what you have and even then you're left with a franken monster that has been chopped, beaten, hacked and welded 9 times over. Then it still needs paint !
Flights are cheap this time of the year...
Me _________________ 1979 Euro 931, Olive
1981 931, Sabine
1991 Ford Ranger XLT 4x4
1996 Ford E-350 ex-FedEx Van
2014 Mazda CX-5 (Kinderwagon)
2019 KTM 790 Adventure
2024 KLX300
2024 KLX140 |
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safe
Joined: 18 Mar 2017 Posts: 583 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Your best option it to part it put and get another car...
That is rust in a complicated area with suspension pickup points etc
If you have the space, time and desire to evolve your skills you could try to fix it yourself. Most of it doesn't need to be pretty, only sturdy. The puter skin needs some skill to get nice, but that part can be outsouced.
If you fail you have lost nothing more than time and investment in tools, you will need a good mig welder, griding tools, some tool to bend metal properly etc.
But there is little economic sense in trying to fix it. |
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Tiny
Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 502 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:42 am Post subject: |
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Thank so far for entertaining and insightful suggestions!
I wondered....would it be easier if I got a scrap car like this and removed (assuming it is good/not rusted ) just what is required to fix the inner structurally defected area of mine?
Apologies I'm not an expert with the chasis / bodywork knowledge on this part of a 924.
Would it be slightly simpler if I removed what I needed from something like this?
_________________ *****1981 - 924 - Auto - London, UK****** |
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safe
Joined: 18 Mar 2017 Posts: 583 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:09 am Post subject: |
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Tiny wrote: | Thank so far for entertaining and insightful suggestions!
I wondered....would it be easier if I got a scrap car like this and removed (assuming it is good/not rusted ) just what is required to fix the inner structurally defected area of mine?
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Yes, you cut around the VIN number on your car, save that piece, scrap the rest. Then weld it into the junker.
Seriously, it gets a little easier if you have something to cut pieces out from.
But seeing the amount of rust on your car, I doubt that it is the only rust you will find. Its unusual that they rust that badly. Not worth saving IMHO.
I recently "saved" a really badly rusted 924.Most of the right sill and most of the right floor was was replaced. Apart from that I found tons of rust in other places that I did not expect. I found 11 rust holes in the car that I had to repair. I count the right sill and floor as 1... Luckily all suspension points on mine was fine.
What is worth it? Not by a long shot in any conventional sense. But it was a nice learning experience. |
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Noahs944
Joined: 08 Dec 2015 Posts: 782 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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Tiny,
Sorry but that unibody is definitely not worth an attempt to repair. Sell the thing as a parts car & buy something better.
Or if you like wrenching than replace the body. But repairing is not an option.
Good video footage though. |
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Noahs944
Joined: 08 Dec 2015 Posts: 782 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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… to further explain:
When welding a new panel onto an old panel, the old panel has to be sturdy enough to handle the welding or else it just burns through and usually this means removing a lot more metal than you expected to. Even replacing the body would be a bitch because of the rust.
Rust sucks |
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kondzi
Joined: 02 Jul 2018 Posts: 485 Location: Poland/EU
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:58 am Post subject: |
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Well you definitely can repair that! The only thing is price effectiveness... 924 is not worth doing such bodyworks, unless it's a Carrera GT or so. _________________ ---
Konrad
'89 951 US
'88 Mustang 5.0 LX Convertible (factory specs)
'84 911 Carrera 3.2 RoW (factory specs)
'81 931 RoW (TBD)
'81 Ford Capri 2.8i (factory specs)
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morghen
Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 8868 Location: Romania
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Anything can be done, but replacing suspension mounts should be done by a shop that knows what they are doing. If you botch it up you end up with the rear wheels sitting at the wrong angle and not be able to adjust them. _________________ https://www.the924.com |
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Fasteddie313
Joined: 29 Sep 2013 Posts: 2596 Location: MI
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Buy another with a straight body and put the best stuff in/on the straight body..
I think 80 and on bodys are fully galvanized, get one..
I wouldn't sell anything until you had the one done..
I think this is a very easy car to do a body swap on.. Lift the whole shell off the drive train and suspension, interior is relatively easy too.. _________________ 80 Turbo - Slightly Modified |
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