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Noahs944
Joined: 08 Dec 2015 Posts: 782 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:36 am Post subject: Prioritizing components for performance-whats your opinion? |
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Ok, so you have bought a low powered 100-200 hp 924/944 type car. In terms of performance on an autocross or twisty course... even a rally course, what do you think are the most importance components? And in what order? |
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Rasta Monsta
Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 11723 Location: PacNW
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Posted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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GROUP ONE:
Good tires, brakes.
Control arm bushings.
Good dampers.
Biggest junkyard sway bars you can find. _________________ Toofah King Bad
- WeiBe (1987 924S 2.5t) - 931 S3
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Noahs944
Joined: 08 Dec 2015 Posts: 782 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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What about seats? |
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Carrera RSR
Joined: 08 Jan 2010 Posts: 2309 Location: Somerset, UK
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Posted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Not seen a seat add performance to a 924 yet? _________________ 1980 931 - forged pistons, Piper cam, K27/26 3257 6.10 hybrid turbo, 951 FMIC, custom intake, Mittelmotor dizzy & cam pulley, H&S exhaust, GAZ Gold, Fuch'ed, Quaife
Now www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=34690
Then www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=31252 |
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Cedric
Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 2600 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:19 am Post subject: |
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Carrera RSR wrote: | Not seen a seat add performance to a 924 yet? |
A racing seat definitely add performance. You get much more concentrated driving and a better feel for how the car moves. Especially in autox. High priority according to me, cost so little, combine it with a deep steering wheel and the seating position is improved drastically!
Tyres are always the king when it comes to performance, if you are only after lap times buy wide and sticky tyres. Try keeping the rolling radius as small as possible, otherwise it will hurt acceleration noticeably. Then add lots of negative camber, then go for stiffer Springs/shocks. Beware though, it's important to find perfect balance or you will leave a lot of performance unused. _________________ 1980 924 Turbo
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morghen
Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 8868 Location: Romania
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:18 am Post subject: |
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Tires are tricky to pick and i have learned that wide tires are not always the best, especially if you also drive the car on the road. Best is narrower track but high quality tires. I used to have trouble with my 245 tires but now its all good with sticky 225s.
The first thing to do on a 924 is change the bushings, refresh the brakes and put new tires on. Then Add the biggest sway bars you can find as Rasta said...a world of difference especially with new good quality shocks.
Seats are important as well...dont get tossed around the car while cornering. Sport seats are good i heard, i hope i'll get mine soon as the normal seats dont offer any side support. _________________ https://www.the924.com |
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gabo931
Joined: 26 Feb 2015 Posts: 21 Location: Puerto Rico
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:27 am Post subject: |
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morghen wrote: | Tires are tricky to pick and i have learned that wide tires are not always the best, especially if you also drive the car on the road. Best is narrower track but high quality tires. I used to have trouble with my 245 tires but now its all good with sticky 225s.
The first thing to do on a 924 is change the bushings, refresh the brakes and put new tires on. Then Add the biggest sway bars you can find as Rasta said...a world of difference especially with new good quality shocks.
Seats are important as well...dont get tossed around the car while cornering. Sport seats are good i heard, i hope i'll get mine soon as the normal seats dont offer any side support. |
What springs work best? _________________ 1980 931 M471 LSD |
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ideola
Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15548 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:28 am Post subject: |
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There is a lot of weight to be saved with aftermarket seats as well. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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Kenodog
Joined: 25 Jun 2003 Posts: 2645 Location: Vancouver,B.C.
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:51 am Post subject: |
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Noah,
You can buy some cheap but good aftermarket seats here in Van from the local Chinese import ricer shops. $200 gets you a nice supportive seat with holes for 5 point harnesses. Like Dan says they are much lighter as well. Only drawback is you will need to build custom brackets to bolt them in.
Leigh _________________ 1979 Euro 931, Olive
1981 931, Sabine
1991 Ford Ranger XLT 4x4
1996 Ford E-350 ex-FedEx Van
2014 Mazda CX-5 (Kinderwagon)
2019 KTM 790 Adventure
2024 KLX300
2024 KLX140 |
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Carrera RSR
Joined: 08 Jan 2010 Posts: 2309 Location: Somerset, UK
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 2:30 am Post subject: |
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Well my car is equally quick/slow depending on your benchmark, whether I have the Porsche seat or lighter Cobra bucket. In a priority of top 10-20 performance upgrade problems, the seat ain't one. Just saying. Didn't say it wasn't on the list _________________ 1980 931 - forged pistons, Piper cam, K27/26 3257 6.10 hybrid turbo, 951 FMIC, custom intake, Mittelmotor dizzy & cam pulley, H&S exhaust, GAZ Gold, Fuch'ed, Quaife
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MikeJinCO
Joined: 08 Jun 2010 Posts: 1227 Location: Maysville, Colorado
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:38 am Post subject: |
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Agree with Rasta's ideas. On my low power 77 I rebuilt steering, changed to poly bushings(Prothane or Energy Suspension-I don't remember) and got some 205/50/15 Kumho Ecsta tires. I also found a budget way to get sway bars from a 944T on the 944 control arms. Result, steering dart quick, corners wonderfully. Changes needed-real shocks/struts
The 205's are too big and slow speed steering is pretty heavy, should have used a 195. I spent more time trying to get the brakes working better than on anything else and still not real happy with them.
Rougher, noisy ride probably, but the car didn't run when I got it and I have never been another 24/44 so no method of comparison. _________________ Mike
'67 MG Midget Dp
'71 Ocelot Dsr Kawasaki 1000(under rebuild) |
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morghen
Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 8868 Location: Romania
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:10 am Post subject: |
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gabo931 wrote: | What springs work best? |
Thats a whole other chapter _________________ https://www.the924.com |
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jason c
Joined: 13 Jan 2014 Posts: 1018 Location: Nwi
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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The 24/44/68 series cars handle pretty well out of the box. Depends on what parts are on the car & what condition they're in. Replace the parts in worse condition first.
It also depends on what your budget is.
The idea behind a good seat & harness is that they improve lap times by limiting driver movement, by that I mean keeps you from moving around which forces you to brace yourself with the wheel, bracing yourself makes your steering input less accurate & lowers lap times. Same happens to your legs. Its also a safety item, don't forget your own safety. A seat is a win win.
Tires & brakes are great upgrades but they're also consumables, you're going to need them often.
As far as suspension, the parts that keep the car flatter & the tire contact on the pavement best should be upgraded first. You'll get more movement out of worn shocks than worn bushings. Putting a big swaybar on a car with soft shocks & springs is a cheap way but not a proper way to build a racecar.
Sometimes you do whatever you have to when your on a shoestring budget (lemons & $2015 challenge).
Posing the question as "I have X amount to spend & this is what parts the car has and this is the condition...." may give you a better idea on what to do first. |
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Noahs944
Joined: 08 Dec 2015 Posts: 782 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Beautiful responses.
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Who make harness bars or the 924? Or are they not recommended? |
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fiat22turbo
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 4040 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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Noahs944 wrote: | Beautiful responses.
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Who make harness bars or the 924? Or are they not recommended? |
Get a proper rollbar or cage.
Harness bars can be dangerous in a rollover.
And yes they can happen, even at autocross speeds.
Use stock belts with a seat belt lock to help lock your hips in the seat. _________________ Stefan
1979 924 Carrera GTS (clone-ish)
1988 944 Turbo S (Silver Rose) |
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