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acpeeps
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 Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:31 pm Post subject: 951 Brembo brakes..... |
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Will a set of 951 Brembo 4 pot calipers clear a set of cookie cutter 15" wheels??? Or do I need to upgrade/upsize??
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morghen
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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I think they only work with 15" fuchs but i might be wrong. If the calipers cone from a 951S then minimum wheel size is 16"
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Kenodog
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:06 am Post subject: |
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I think you need 16" rims minimum. I have 4-pot Brembos from an '86 951 on my car, I will loo at the clearance tonight. The rims on the car currently are 16" trashcans.
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ideola
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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The only 15" wheels I've seen that will clear Brembos are vintage three piece BBS. None of the standard Porsche 15" rims will clear. Also, the 911 16" Fuchs will not clear, if you want to run 16" Fuchs with Brembos, you have to get the 951 part number.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 4:48 am Post subject: |
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Seeing that I am never going to track this car, the best thing to do would be either upgrade the brakes to single piston 944, or just a really good set of pads for the 931
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Does your car have 4-lug or 5-lug? If you currently have 4-lug setup, you can upgrade quite easily to a standard 5-lug setup sourced from a late 924/931 or a 924S or early 944. The single piston floating caliper 5-lug 4-wheel disc setup is plenty capable for spirited street driving, and even track duty, when properly maintained, rebuilt, and outfitted with fresh rotors and pads.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 5:12 am Post subject: |
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Also, if you need a five lug conversion, I have at least one complete setup already removed and essential ready for bench rebuild and installation. I'm not that far from Kohler...
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fiat22turbo
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| acpeeps wrote: | | Seeing that I am never going to track this car, the best thing to do would be either upgrade the brakes to single piston 944, or just a really good set of pads for the 931 |
There's also the Volvo 4-piston front caliper upgrade for the stock single piston 5-lug brake setups detailed here.
There is a Wilwood front caliper kit available as well that should fit under a 15" wheel.
I'm not sure about the effectiveness of either solution, but in theory they should provide a better brake solution for threshold braking due to their stiffer caliper bodies.
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Kenodog
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| acpeeps wrote: | | Seeing that I am never going to track this car, the best thing to do would be either upgrade the brakes to single piston 944, or just a really good set of pads for the 931 |
Single piston 944 brake are 931 brakes. (5-lug set-up)
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fiat22turbo
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| Kenodog wrote: | | acpeeps wrote: | | Seeing that I am never going to track this car, the best thing to do would be either upgrade the brakes to single piston 944, or just a really good set of pads for the 931 |
Single piston 944 brake are 931 brakes. (5-lug set-up) |
Unless he has a 4-lug car, then the front calipers are very similar, but not the same.
Proper adjusting of the rear drums at every oil change helps pedal feel quite a bit.
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Kenodog
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 8:43 am Post subject: |
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Ergo the (5-lug set up) in brackets. Seriously ?
If he has the crap ass 4-lug why would he bother putting on a $400 set of Brembo's when he could upgrade the ENTIRE suspension with a 5-lug that Dan is offering.
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fiat22turbo
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| Kenodog wrote: | Ergo the (5-lug set up) in brackets. Seriously ?
If he has the crap ass 4-lug why would he bother putting on a $400 set of Brembo's when he could upgrade the ENTIRE suspension with a 5-lug that Dan is offering.
Leigh |
How the hell should I know? Its his car. Why don't you ask him?
I'm just providing information for him and anyone else who might be interested.
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Kenodog
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I was speaking to him, then you chimed in. As always....
Leigh
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Rasta Monsta
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| Kenodog wrote: | | Single piston 944 brake are 931 brakes. (5-lug set-up) |
Almost. Rear calipers are different.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| fiat22turbo wrote: | | acpeeps wrote: | | Seeing that I am never going to track this car, the best thing to do would be either upgrade the brakes to single piston 944, or just a really good set of pads for the 931 |
There's also the Volvo 4-piston front caliper upgrade for the stock single piston 5-lug brake setups detailed here.
There is a Wilwood front caliper kit available as well that should fit under a 15" wheel.
I'm not sure about the effectiveness of either solution, but in theory they should provide a better brake solution for threshold braking due to their stiffer caliper bodies. |
One huge advantage of the Volvo calipers is availability of parts. They made millions of 240s and you can get parts for them anywhere. |
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