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jessy1984  



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:44 am    Post subject: blue smoke from turbo (only at warm up) Reply with quote

hi i have a 931 that has a strange problem
when i start the car after 30sec it starts to smoke a lot
after looking in to this it seems to come from the turbo there is always a bit of oil in the housing

but the engine and turbo has been completely rebuild
this only accured after the rebuild
when the engine is at tempreture the smoke is gone so it only accurs when the engine is warming up

did anyone have a problem like this with the turbo before
also checked the oil pressure this is at max when cold 6.3bar
with castrol Edge 10w60 full synthetic
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Shurick  



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:02 am    Post subject: Re: blue smoke from turbo (only at warm up) Reply with quote

jessy1984 wrote:
hi i have a 931 that has a strange problem
when i start the car after 30sec it starts to smoke a lot
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when the engine is at tempreture the smoke is gone so it only accurs when the engine is warming up
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did anyone have a problem like this with the turbo before


I have the same issue with the M31/01 engine. I suspect that it's a crankcase ventilation problem, but not sure.
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Fasteddie313  



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine does the same and I'm quite sure its coming from the hot side of the turbo leaking a little into the exhaust when the car sits for a while. Like it burns off when the exhaust is coming up to operating temperature.

The turbo in my car is questionable at best, it is very likely a bad seal on my turbine piston rings.

My lines are clear, I washed them myself in and out, but I do not have the updated AOS breather setup.

I also suspect it may be a symptom of my car being a little over full of oil.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:38 am    Post subject: Re: blue smoke from turbo (only at warm up) Reply with quote

jessy1984 wrote:
did anyone have a problem like this with the turbo before


Yes. My car didn't smoke at all when I bought it. Eventually (after 2 years of ownership) it needed some engine work, including rebuilt cylinder head and new turbo. Rebuilt 924 Carrera GT turbo (http://www.turbotekniikka.fi) was installed and voilà, all of a sudden it became a smoker.

Like yours my car doesn't smoke in any circumstances after it has fully warmed up. I believe this smoking is a very common thing among 931's and it's got something to do with the ancient oil seal desing of the KKK turbo and high oil pressure during the first minutes after the start. But correct me if I'm wrong. Check out my dyno video, do you see any smoke? Yet my car does smoke when cold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfTAp5D_56w
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW, fresh rebuild here on engine and turbo, car never smokes. Car is an S1 with turbo drain AOS update. Crankcase breather is also connected and functioning properly.
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jason c  



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a lot of oil pressure, is this the same oil you were using before the rebuild?
Has the temperature outside changed much since the rebuild?
Does your car have the head vent update?
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jessy1984  



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

all lines are open crank ventilation is working and dous not have to much pressure for what i can see.
also did a compression test and leakdown test both are good and engine runs verry good also.
oilpressure with my row924 was the same
i did just change to the 10w60 from castrol after rebuild why cous it is full synthetic and with a rebuild clean engine a good thing
also this oil can resist the high temp from the turbo.
outside temp isnt the problem its not that cold and the car sits in the garage.
also its an S2 so it has the vent update on the head
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

931 spec= Oil pressure (at 5000 rpm)Up to approximately 6 bar (85 psi) at 80° to 100°C (176° to 212°F)
924 spec= System oil pressure (at 2,000 RPM)5 to 7 bar (71 to 100 psi) at 80° to 100°C (176° to 212°F)

You have 6.3bar (93 psi) so yes, its high.
I would try changing to a lighter weight oil & see if it helps.
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