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Mysterious 'Willibald tuning' 931 engine, anybody know more?

 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:02 am    Post subject: Mysterious 'Willibald tuning' 931 engine, anybody know more? Reply with quote

Bought a 931 engine today.

There is a badge 'Willibald tuning' on the inlet manifold and the engine number starts with 'HWT'.

The rest of the engine looks like a normal 931 S2 engine. The sump and valve cover have also been modified.

Strange thing is the DITC is connected to another box:


Anybody know more about the 931 Willlibald engine ?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whoa...more pics please !
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

morghen wrote:
whoa...more pics please !


+1

That sounds very interesting !!!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Subscribed!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a little poking around online and found many references to Heinz Willibald tuning, was well known in the VW and Porsche 914 circles back in the 80's Seems he just died in November 2010.
http://richarzzz-speedshop.blogspot.com/2010/11/heinz-willibald-rip.html
Sure would be interesting to see what is in that box... I will be following this thread.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will dismantle the engine later.

I have red on Google that Willibald also worked with Oettinger.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More please. Highly interesting. A piggy back to DITC, from back in the day? Wow.

Speaking of 931 tuning, it reminded me of this...

http://www.356-911.com/post1974/moderntuning/porsche924turbo.htm
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevekat wrote:
Speaking of 931 tuning, it reminded me of this...

http://www.356-911.com/post1974/moderntuning/porsche924turbo.htm

Yes, that link has some tantalizing tidbits, does it not?!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:51 am    Post subject: 931 tuning Reply with quote

Colin who owns 9M is a good friend of mine, we used to be in business together (long time ago!). Happy to ask questions about the 931 tuning article if anyone wants me to.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: 931 tuning Reply with quote

simsport wrote:
Colin who owns 9M is a good friend of mine, we used to be in business together (long time ago!). Happy to ask questions about the 931 tuning article if anyone wants me to.
Cheers
Simon


Would be great !
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Willibald Tuning
Bischofsheimer Weg 10
97922 Lauda- Königshofen
09343/3300 09343/3397
Motortuning, z. B. Typ 4, Bremsen, Fahrwerk

maybe you can call them for some info iff they know anything about this
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:44 pm    Post subject: Re: 931 tuning Reply with quote

simsport wrote:
Colin who owns 9M is a good friend of mine, we used to be in business together (long time ago!). Happy to ask questions about the 931 tuning article if anyone wants me to.
Cheers
Simon


I emailed them a while back and they said they wouldn't work on 924s anymore.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:28 am    Post subject: Re: 931 tuning Reply with quote

simsport wrote:
Colin who owns 9M is a good friend of mine, we used to be in business together (long time ago!). Happy to ask questions about the 931 tuning article if anyone wants me to.
Cheers
Simon


Colin used to own my car. He rebuilt the engine back in 1999.

I think basically when values of the 924 Turbo went down the toilet there was a lack of interest in the tuning/development work he was doing and no-one was willing to spend the money on what is essentially a low value car, so he moved on to more expensive Porsches.
Recently I've seen very good examples of the 931 selling for around £1000 which is a little depressing really.

I remember calling him and emailing him and he always seemed friendly and was happy to answer questions about my car and tuning the 931.
He is unbelievably good at tuning Porsches and has a lot of engineering knowledge so he's probably in great demand from the 911 crew and that's where the money is I'm afraid.
He's done work on the 968 and offers a supercharger package for those - I think in the region of 350hp conservatively.

I also remember him racing a particularly tasty 993 so he's probably a busy man.

It would be interesting to see what he could do now with a 931 taken to the nth degree of tuning.
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