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Archie9xx
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 Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:26 pm Post subject: Correct rear decals for early 931? |
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Hi all,
I know Porsche used couple of different rear model designation decals on 931s, depending on M/Y and whether it was S1 or S2. But which one was right for early '79 RoW-model?
Outline maybe?
Filled 924 with outlined turbo?
all filled, perhaps?
Did they use anything else than black colors on light coloured cars? I mean, of course if the car was black the decal was probably silver, but what about with silver exterior car? Was it red?
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ideola
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:53 am Post subject: |
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According to the ROW version of PET that I have with me at the moment, the following part numbers were available on the 79 931:
477 853 627 (described as "logo adhesive film black")
477 853 627 A (described as "logo adhesive film white")
For the same call-out position (13B), there were also two additional parts listed, as follows:
477 853 721 (described as "logo")
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477 853 721 (described as "logo adhesive film")
but no indication of color, or how it might have varied from the "627" part number.
Pelican's online part number database indicates that 477 853 627 has been superseded to 477 853 627 C and is currently listed as "NLA", but there is no additional information or images available to indicate what the difference may have been from the earlier part.
What is interesting to me is that the normally aspirated parts for thru-78 cars are described as "logo" and were actually metal logos affixed with grommets, and the 79-onward parts are described as "logo adhesive film". So I am wondering if the 477 853 721 part was actually a metal part like the pre-78 NA cars! I've never seen a turbo with anything other than the adhesive film decals, so it would be quite interesting to find if there was an actual metal logo for the turbo cars...and quite rare, I'm sure!
For the 1980-onward 931, the following parts are listed:
477 853 627 (logo adhesive film black hatched)
477 853 627 A (logo adhesive film white hatched)
477 853 627 B (logo adhesive film black)
477 853 627 C (logo adhesive film silver)
Since the first two 1980 part numbers say "hatched" and are the same part number as the 1979 part numbers, and since the picture in the 79 PET seems to depict it as well, I suspect that the two logos for 79 were also hatched, and that the 627 B and 627 C part numbers were outlined as depicted in the 1980-onward PET. This leads me to believe that the factory-correct parts were either hatched or outlined, and were not solid (solid ones quite possibly all being aftermarket knock-offs). There is also no mention of any other color other than black, white or silver.
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Archie9xx
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:13 am Post subject: |
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Wow, thanks for the prompt answer. Meanwhile, I did some research work:
Good 'ol Peter Morgan claims that early cars had separated "924" and "Turbo" scripts. On the other hand, the picture shown on the book claims that even early cars had all the markings on the right side of the car - and that the 924 logo had "light number 2, while 9 and 4 were black (sorry for the lack of right terms, I'm not native English speaker). Just check the picture.
Few factory brochures show also cars with that plastic (or metal) "Turbo" designation.
Oulined US-model:
Very early RoW-model, probably no sticker whatsoever, but check the license plate logo. Similar to the picture at Morgan's book:
Damn, this is confusing! 
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Carrera RSR
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:15 am Post subject: |
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The top left image from the page from Peter Morgans book is the correct logo for MY 79 RoW models of which there were very few delivered outside of Germany.
This is correct for MY 80 and beyond
Which are available as OEM spec from werk924.com circa €60 or so. Or you can by die cut vinyl ones from elsewhere like eBay for €10.
For the MY 79 ones I am sure they can be sourced from both werk924 and eBay.
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Archie9xx
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Carrera RSR wrote: | | The top left image from the page from Peter Morgans book is the correct logo for MY 79 RoW models of which there were very few delivered outside of Germany. |
This sounds right enough, also according to Morgan's book. The example pictures on my first post are from excellent eBay decal supplier PorscheDecalShop. Only problem is they don't have that original early decal, just post-'80 versions. I've ordered several times from there, and had no complaints whatsoever. So if the guy behind the eBay shop is reading this, Roy - are those early stickers available? 
And thanks for werk924-link, I'll check it out asap.
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Archie9xx
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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The answer seems to be no - even werk924 seem to offer only post-'80 decal version, and '79 version is not available. Seems like I have to seek for a car with such sticker, copy it using parchment paper and then pay someone for replicating the sticker with cutter.
Thanks for the help!
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Harm
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:34 am Post subject: Re: Correct rear decals for early 931? |
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This is just a mock-up: I've rebuild these as vectors, usefull for cutting.
I don't know the actual size, I sticked to the common size,
but we'll figure something out…
Send me the parchment paper!
Cheers, Harm.
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Carrera RSR
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:26 am Post subject: |
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The top decal is OEM spec from werk924. The one on the number plate is from Roy! I am sure if you send him a message he will try to copy the 79 version
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ideola
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| Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| Carrera RSR wrote: | | ...from Roy! I am sure if you send him a message he will try to copy the 79 version |
Agreed, it can't be any big deal for him to make the hatched version out of an existing solid decal.
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Archie9xx
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| Harm wrote: | | This is just a mock-up: I've rebuild these as vectors, usefull for cutting. |
You have vector graphic file for that? Seriously? If so, could by any chance send such a file for me?
| Harm wrote: |
I don't know the actual size, I sticked to the common size,
but we'll figure something out… |
That shouldn't be too difficult to measure from pictures.
| Harm wrote: |
Send me the parchment paper! |
You folk have legalized hemp, but you don't have parchment paper? Holland is really weird place...
| Carrera RSR wrote: | The one on the number plate is from Roy! I am sure if you send him a message he will try to copy the 79 version
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Did that the other day, waiting for reply.
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Archie9xx
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:56 am Post subject: |
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Roy is making a custom decal - excellent!
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944 '83
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911T/SC '70
944 S2 Cabriolet '90
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Archie9xx
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:32 am Post subject: |
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Monologue continues:
I emailed to guru himself, Mr. Peter Morgan, and asked for advice. Here's his reply:
| Quote: | This is a difficult question, because I don’t know the answer for sure!
I think the first production 170hp Series 1 cars used a decal of the full ‘924 turbo’ all in outline on the right side. The photos I’ve seen suggest the decal you show (with the ‘2’ in outline) began from mid-1979 and were seen on the 1980 model year cars.
I think it could be that the 911-style ‘turbo’ raised badge came in again with the last Series 2 cars.
I am not sure about this, so apologies.
Regards,
Peter |
Damn it!  Only viable choice was to order both styles, and decide later. So the search continues...
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Harm
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:57 am Post subject: Re: Correct rear decals for early 931? |
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| Archie9xx wrote: | | Harm wrote: |
Send me the parchment paper! |
You folk have legalized hemp, but you don't have parchment paper? Holland is really weird place... |
Barking up the wrong tree here fella…
I consider your Sauna way more addictive 
And I'm glad Roy picked it up 'cause I don't mean to take his turf 
In here is an online example from the 924 Workshop Manual (1979+>):
924 Turbo & Porsche rear sticker placement?
Showing the early black decal (and placement).
I'd guess the (metallic) pictured Toofah Turbo rear in the manual is carrying plate # (S-DL) 3942.
Plate # (S-DL) 3955, known from brochures and numerous articles/adverts, was
the early turbo; Red top, silver bottom, silver decal in the same style.
IIRC these would both be S1 cars that show this type of lettering also
on the inlet pressure pipe between the turbo and manifold?
I'd stick to ‘Solid black, except #2 in silhouette’ when your car is silver metallic.
Kind regards, Harm.
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Archie9xx
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:41 am Post subject: Re: Correct rear decals for early 931? |
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| Harm wrote: | | I consider your Sauna way more addictive |
Yup, and it's even more relaxing. Although, how'd I know, just heard it from the bigger boys...
| Harm wrote: |
In here is an online example from the 924 Workshop Manual (1979+>):
924 Turbo & Porsche rear sticker placement?
Showing the early black decal (and placement).
I'd guess the (metallic) pictured Toofah Turbo rear in the manual is carrying plate # (S-DL) 3942.
Plate # (S-DL) 3955, known from brochures and numerous articles/adverts, was
the early turbo; Red top, silver bottom, silver decal in the same style.
IIRC these would both be S1 cars that show this type of lettering also
on the inlet pressure pipe between the turbo and manifold?
I'd stick to ‘Solid black, except #2 in silhouette’ when your car is silver metallic.
Kind regards, Harm. |
Whooaa, super! Thanks for the info - solid black with 2 in silhouette it is, then.
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924 '79
944 '86
931 '79
944 '83
356B '60
911T/SC '70
944 S2 Cabriolet '90
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