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Rasta Monsta  



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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 1:07 pm    Post subject: Tie Rod Gebafflement Reply with quote

Tie rods for early toofahs - 477 419 803 B
  • NA up to chassis 92DN4 02093
  • Turbo up to chassis 93DN1 00185
  • Female threaded outer TRE
  • NLA
Tie rods for CGT - 944 347 033 00
  • Female threaded outer TRE
  • Same rack as 931
  • Same knuckles as four wheel disk toofah, early 944
  • NLA
Tie rods for late toofahs, early 944s - 944 347 033 01
  • Male threaded outer TRE
  • Listed as superceded for early toofah, early 944
This hurts my head! Is there any way to end up with a female threaded TRE? WHY, you ask? For one, compatibility with Elephant Racing's Thuper Thexthy Bump Steer mod.

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems like a Rabbit tie-rod would work.

BTW, here's the part cross-reference for an outer tie-rod on an 80 924 Turbo from Rockauto.com:

BMW 323I (1978 - 1982)
PORSCHE 924 (1979 - 1980)
PORSCHE 944 (1981 - 1982)
VOLKSWAGEN CADDY PICKUP (1982 - 1992)
VOLKSWAGEN GOLF (1976 - 1983)
VOLKSWAGEN JETTA (1979 - 1984)
VOLKSWAGEN SCIROCCO (1975 - 1989)
VOLKSWAGEN TRANSPORTER (1979 - 1992)
VOLVO 340 (1984 - 1991)
VOLVO 360 (1983 - 1989)

The other parts are similar. Unfortunately, no one carries the inner tie-rod.
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

O'reilly auto parts has inner tie rods for the 80 Jetta for $50

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/search/Tie+Rod+End/03448/C0203.oap?make=Volkswagen&model=Jetta&year=1980&vi=1282643

I have noticed that they do carry quite a lot of stuff for oddball and older cars. I've sourced some Alfa and Audi bits I was unable to find at other places.
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Odd that there is no cross-reference between the VW parts and the Porsche 924 on the inner tie-rod.

Rockauto has the same inner tie-rod for about $12:

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=1340000

But you have to pay for shipping and wait for it to arrive, so you pay a little more for the store front and instant gratification
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boy the bump steer kit isnt cheap.
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speed costs money, how fast you wanna go is directly related to how much money is spent.

Note: this doesn't mention anything about fun, since having fun can be had for free

examples: 24 Hours of Le Mans = expensive to race and win. 24 Hours of Lemons = much cheaper to race and win. Champ Car Racing is expensive and ChumpCar Racing is cheap. All of them can be insanely fun...
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was going to say, the tie rod ends that I just bought and installed for the 941 in order to bolt up power steering rack (taken from a 944) were early offset tie rods, and had female threaded outer TRE, early offset length. I've never seen a male threaded TRE.

Then I realized the issue is with the power vs. non-power racks. D'oh. Interesting conundrum. Have you contacted ER to see if they can make a version with male threaded TREs?
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This eBay reseller appears to have early style tie rod sets:
http://stores.ebay.com/Q-E-Auto-Parts
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also just found this less expensive alternative to the ER kit:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200401170499


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Even cheaper if you buy direct:
http://www.compbrake.co.uk/SUSPENSION/trakrodends/PORSCHETRACKROD.html
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 1:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Tie Rod Gebafflement Reply with quote

fiat22turbo wrote:
Seems like a Rabbit tie-rod would work.


^Livestream of my vee-dubs MK1 TRE^

I've got both Toofah and VW components of the suspension/steering as extra parts on the shelf ATM:
I will exchange them to see how it fits etc.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the inner tie-rods are the same as a 1980 Jetta? I hope so, otherwise they're so damn expensive.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, you mean female threaded where the tie rod end connects to the knuckle, or a hole like a helm joint, not where the tie rod end interfaces with the tie rod.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess you want to find a heim joint, where you can put a bolt through the business end, that has female threads to screw into the inner tie rod assembly if such a correct female part exisits.

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/944-bump-steer-continued/15239/page1/

http://944hybrids.forumotion.com/suspension-mods-f6/x-member-drop-down-bolt-on-bump-steer-kit-t20-15.htm

Otherwise this hybrid using a Toyota part looks interesting.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just got an inner and outer tie-rod on ebay for $25, free shipping. Lets hope it fits!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=10084&highlight=bump+steer
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