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carnuck
Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 6 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:54 pm Post subject: Intro by Newbie Jeep dude with weird conversion questions |
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What the heck does a Jeep have to do with 924 you ask? Well, it's a little known fact that about the same time Porsche rolled out the 924, AMC bought some of the 2.0L motors for both the Gremlins (and a few Hornets) as well as Postal Jeeps (This was right after the gas crisis in Jimmy Carter days) I happen to have an underpowered '79 DJ5 (used as an Ice Cream truck after the USPS)
I tripped over a pair of '79 924 turbos cheapish (one with excellent body and a rod protruding from the block with 5 speed trans and the other totally rotted from a bad sunroof, but only 35,000 miles on it with auto trans and still runs excellent)
I'm thinking about cannibalizing the rust bucket for the EFI wiring harness and taking the turbo and goodies from the one with the thrown rod. I'll make the good body drivable again and up the ponies in my little Jeep.
I have a customer by the name of Ralph Meaney who tells me it's doable and the EFI is reliable. (I grew up with British, German and Italian cars so I learned how to fix electrical stuff, but electronics is sort of new to me)
Now that I have caused a gag reflex in many of you, what do you think of my "silly idea" (wife says) _________________ Yes, my Jeep has a Porsche 924 motor |
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skemcin
Joined: 02 Sep 2003 Posts: 1284 Location: Plainfield, IL
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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Very creative. I owned a postal jeep (DJ5) when I was in college and sold it just a few years ago. Mine had an inline 6 that did pretty well. IT sounds like you've got what you need to do your "silly" project, but I wonder if finding one of the inline 6 motors might fair better? But then again, it doesn't really matter what you take a corner in with one of those (4 banger turbo or inline 6) you still gotta throw your leg out the door (sliding) to counter balance that thing.
Good luck. I say go for it.
When you're done, paint it flat black and tint the windows 20%. Throw some spinners on there and you're all set!
Fun little truck, enjoy...
[reminiscing] _________________ 924.org (no time to complete)
9249206346 - 89k – new shifter bushings, belts, running well.
9249206347 - 8k – waiting its resurrection, no power at the fuel pump and fuse #7 blows w/power |
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carnuck
Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 6 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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I plan to fix the tippiness with CJ7 widetrack axles. Putting a 6 cyl in isn't so easy as the DJ5 was designed with a shorter nose for the 4 cyl (actually more like a CJ3 high hooder)
I'm just looking for a little more oomph as well as fuel economy. Since the Jeep already has the same engine, I figure it's a fairly easy swap except the wiring. _________________ Yes, my Jeep has a Porsche 924 motor |
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skemcin
Joined: 02 Sep 2003 Posts: 1284 Location: Plainfield, IL
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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carnuck wrote: | I plan to fix the tippiness with CJ7 widetrack axles. Putting a 6 cyl in isn't so easy as the DJ5 was designed with a shorter nose for the 4 cyl (actually more like a CJ3 high hooder)
I'm just looking for a little more oomph as well as fuel economy. Since the Jeep already has the same engine, I figure it's a fairly easy swap except the wiring. |
Yeah, it will likely be easier to do a same engine swap. I'm trying to remember what year I had, think it was a 72. Will the wide track axles push the wheels out? If so, what will you do about the sliding doors - take them off all together? _________________ 924.org (no time to complete)
9249206346 - 89k – new shifter bushings, belts, running well.
9249206347 - 8k – waiting its resurrection, no power at the fuel pump and fuse #7 blows w/power |
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carnuck
Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 6 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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I'll probably make them different. Late models had cutouts for the tire clearance. It'll be a bit taller too (just enough to clear my 33/9.50/15s) _________________ Yes, my Jeep has a Porsche 924 motor |
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skemcin
Joined: 02 Sep 2003 Posts: 1284 Location: Plainfield, IL
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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carnuck wrote: | I'll probably make them different. Late models had cutouts for the tire clearance. It'll be a bit taller too (just enough to clear my 33/9.50/15s) | Going to keep the "Look behind before backing" sticker?
(I think thats what it said on the dash) _________________ 924.org (no time to complete)
9249206346 - 89k – new shifter bushings, belts, running well.
9249206347 - 8k – waiting its resurrection, no power at the fuel pump and fuse #7 blows w/power |
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carnuck
Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 6 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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going for the new rearview mirror with a rear camera piped into it. (New stuff for RVs) _________________ Yes, my Jeep has a Porsche 924 motor |
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endwrench
Joined: 07 Dec 2002 Posts: 1631 Location: Victor, Montana
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:46 am Post subject: |
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Welcome to the board!
Let me see if I got this correct. The Jeep is carbed, right? So your gonna convert it to CIS injection with a turbo? I seem to remember reading that the AMC head does not have injector bosses. Is this true? This may be a little more involved than you think but would be pretty cool if you accomplished it.
Todd _________________ '79 924NA. Rebuilt 9.5:1, MSDS header, Mega Squirt Injection, MJLJ-EDIS Ignition, 1.6L Whipple Charger and Intercooler, 10lbs Boost, 944 Trans, Custom HD Clutch.
"simsport" said....superchargers are better than turbos its official!.... |
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carnuck
Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 6 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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I was thinking of swapping the head complete with the EFI to the Jeep engine (I've yet to check if the gaskets are the same) _________________ Yes, my Jeep has a Porsche 924 motor |
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v8carreragts
Joined: 05 Sep 2003 Posts: 665 Location: Tucson, AZ
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:02 am Post subject: |
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I had one of the postal jeep engines. They are very similar. They are based on the early 76-77 924 engine. The head has the injector bosses but they are not drilled. The exhaust manifold is different, the intake is different, the front crank pulley is different, the distributor is a points type, the flywheel is different along with the mounts and engine accessories.
But the block is the same and all of the 924 pieces will bolt on. I believe the head gasket is different but the block and head surfaces are the same. Why they used a different gasket???? I don't know.
One other thing, the starter is different. It is based on a Ford starter. I modified my 924 to use this starter because it is more powerful and is much cheaper than the Bosch starter. You just need to use Ford starter solenoid because it isn't mounted on the starter. |
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ideola
Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15548 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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v8carreragts wrote: | One other thing, the starter is different. It is based on a Ford starter. I modified my 924 to use this starter because it is more powerful and is much cheaper than the Bosch starter. You just need to use Ford starter solenoid because it isn't mounted on the starter. |
Hmmm....this is VERY interesting...can you provide more details?
Carnuck, it's worth pointing out that the 924 NA and 924 Turbo starters are different, AFAIK, they rotate in opposite directions, so this may be another detail you'll have to sort out. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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Anhaedra
Joined: 02 Aug 2007 Posts: 32
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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ideola wrote: |
Carnuck, it's worth pointing out that the 924 NA and 924 Turbo starters are different, AFAIK, they rotate in opposite directions, so this may be another detail you'll have to sort out. |
Couldn't you simply reverse the polarity? They are just electric motors, are they not? |
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J1NX3D
Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Posts: 1333 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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carnuck wrote: | I was thinking of swapping the head complete with the EFI to the Jeep engine (I've yet to check if the gaskets are the same) |
i think you may be thinking the 924 turbo has efi? unfortunately you'd be mistaken. it has CIS mechanical fuel injection. _________________ '86 944 |
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v8carreragts
Joined: 05 Sep 2003 Posts: 665 Location: Tucson, AZ
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:56 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | v8carreragts wrote:
One other thing, the starter is different. It is based on a Ford starter. I modified my 924 to use this starter because it is more powerful and is much cheaper than the Bosch starter. You just need to use Ford starter solenoid because it isn't mounted on the starter.
Hmmm....this is VERY interesting...can you provide more details?
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The Postal Jeep starter is a Ford starter with a special nose casting. Ford starters don't have solenoids on them, they have them mounted on the fender.(not sure it new Fords are like this) You just run a battery cable with ring terminals on both ends from the Ford solenoid to the starter. You also need to move the other solenoid wires up to the Ford solenoid too.
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Couldn't you simply reverse the polarity? They are just electric motors, are they not? |
No. The starter uses the housing as a ground path so you would need to isolate the starter from the engine and connect the B+ to the starter body. (not a good idea) Plus, the drive mechinism would not work in reverse. It is possible that a rebuilder may be able to build one that spins in reverse. |
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