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debitspread
Joined: 15 May 2007
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Location: Houston, TX
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 Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 3:56 am Post subject: Converting to electric power - Value of ICE parts? |
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I'm thinking of buying a recently-refurbished 924s.
If I get it, I'll convert it to 100% electric power. That means removing the internal combustion engine, plus everything related to it (fuel system, exhaust, etc.); then replacing all that with an electric motor, battery pack, and controller.
Questions for the group:
1. Would there be a market for the entire package; i.e., all removed parts sold together?
2. Would the removed parts be worth more as an entire package, or would they bring more sold one component at a time?
Your comments are welcome.
Steve |
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gohim
Joined: 02 Nov 2002
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Location: Rialto, CA
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 5:02 am Post subject: |
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What year car is this, and what would be the condition of the parts that you are selling.
I think that like most parts collections, the individual parts would probably sell for more that a collection.
Personally, I am on the lookout for 87 or 88 (preferrably 8 924S engine in good to excellent condition at a fair price. |
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Mike924
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Location: IoW UK
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 5:59 am Post subject: |
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You live in the oil capital of the US and you're converting to electric!? 
Have you checked you're not breaking some federal law? 
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debitspread
Joined: 15 May 2007
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Location: Houston, TX
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:40 am Post subject: Yes... shocking, isn't it? |
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Yep, that's where I live, alright.
Maybe the oil police will hunt me down! |
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Tigger937
Joined: 11 Apr 2004
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Location: PCA Milwaukee Region
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 9:12 am Post subject: Re: Converting to electric power - Value of ICE parts? |
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| debitspread wrote: | | If I get it, I'll convert it to 100% electric power. |
Are you properly prepared for the difficult challenges that await you? If you do it successfully, you'll become an instant millionaire.
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PORSCHEV
Joined: 02 Nov 2002
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Location: Cedar Lake Nova Scotia, Canada
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 9:29 am Post subject: |
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Hey.. we had a guy on here a few years ago doing the same project. Not sure if it was before the board moved or not. He was just a young fellow... no idea what ever became of the project????
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debitspread
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 2:31 am Post subject: Millionaire? I wish! |
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No, regrettably, I don't look at this as a huge money-maker. In fact, all I want to do is get to work and back without relying on the oil industry.
And by the way: I WORK in the oil industry... have been for the last 15 years.
If you want to see lots of Porsches converted to electric power, visit:
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/type/PORS
If you want to see a few in-detail websites, visit:
http://www.jstraubel.com/944EV/EVproject.htm
http://www.garydion.com/EVPorsche
Note to my fellow car enthusiasts: Two nights ago, I heard a little talk given by Matt Simmons, a world-class financier in the oil business. He says there is 60%-70% of the US going into a gasoline shortage by the end of summer. If a hurricane hits the Gulf coast, the odds go up to 90% to 100%. His advice to the US Secretary of Energy: It's ALREADY too late. Refiners can barely cope right now. Best thing for the govt to do is to start printing rationing booklets, like they did in World War II. |
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PORSCHEV
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Tigger937
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Location: PCA Milwaukee Region
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 7:06 am Post subject: |
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Battery technology needs to improve while at the same time being cost effective. This is the biggest hangup in EV development.
| debitspread wrote: | | Note to my fellow car enthusiasts: Two nights ago, I heard a little talk given by Matt Simmons, a world-class financier in the oil business. He says there is 60%-70% of the US going into a gasoline shortage by the end of summer. If a hurricane hits the Gulf coast, the odds go up to 90% to 100%. His advice to the US Secretary of Energy: It's ALREADY too late. Refiners can barely cope right now. Best thing for the govt to do is to start printing rationing booklets, like they did in World War II. |
The rising prices of oil/gasoline that we're all experiencing is an attempt (by the governments, environmentalists and/or whoever) to spin off new alternate forms of energy from the private, public and business sectors. They're doing this by creating a choke point at the refinery level to drive up prices. As we approach a certain price threshold, the motivation to find cheaper, alternate sources of energy will increase.
The obvious short term answer to rising gas prices is to just build more refineries, but that is contrary to the overall plan. It's all about manipulating the public in order to achieve the overall objective. MOOO (My Own Opinions Only)
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PORSCHEV
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:10 am Post subject: |
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All this time I thought it was the oil companies enjoying RECORD profits. 
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Ozzie
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:57 am Post subject: |
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And the govt in fuel tax.
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PORSCHEV
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OOOOOO don't get me going on that one! Everytime the price goes up the gov gets a little more in it's pockets. Steven harper just made a staement saying the canadian government has no plans to cut gas taxes, even though that was a campain promise of last years election!!!!
Now look what you did 
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endwrench
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Weird, it seems nearly every other nations gas tax is a percentage of the value except th US. We actually take in less tax dollars because we use fewer gallons during price spikes. Follow the money.
Todd
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924aussie
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Todays price in Brisbane Queensland Australia is $1.33AUD a litre
If you are going Electric wont you just be reinventing the
porsche Electric Wheel, back to where it all started 
Alan
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Tigger937
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| Quote: | New fuel for 21st century -- aluminum pellets?
By Julie Steenhuysen Fri May 18, 2:40 PM ET
CHICAGO (Reuters) - Pellets made out of aluminum and gallium can produce pure hydrogen when water is poured on them, offering a possible alternative to gasoline-powered engines, U.S. scientists say.
Hydrogen is seen as the ultimate in clean fuels, especially for powering cars, because it emits only water when burned. U.S.
President George W. Bush has proclaimed hydrogen to be the fuel of the future, but researchers have not yet found the most efficient way to produce and store hydrogen.
The metal compound pellets may offer a way, said Jerry Woodall, an engineering professor at Purdue University in Indiana who invented the system.
"The hydrogen is generated on demand, so you only produce as much as you need when you need it," Woodall said in a statement. He said the hydrogen would not have to be stored or transported, taking care of two stumbling blocks to generating hydrogen.
For now, the Purdue scientists think the system could be used for smaller engines like lawn mowers and chain saws. But they think it would work for cars and trucks as well, either as a replacement for gasoline or as a means of powering hydrogen fuel cells.
"It is one of the more feasible ideas out there," Jay Gore, an engineering professor and interim director of the Energy Center at Purdue's Discovery Park, said in a telephone interview on Thursday. "It's a very simple idea but had not been done before."
On its own, aluminum will not react with water because it forms a protective skin when exposed to oxygen. Adding gallium keeps the film from forming, allowing the aluminum to react with oxygen in the water.
This reaction splits the oxygen and hydrogen contained in water, releasing hydrogen in the process.
"I was cleaning a crucible containing liquid alloys of gallium and aluminum," Woodall said. "When I added water to this alloy -- talk about a discovery -- there was a violent poof."
What is left over is aluminum oxide and gallium. In the engine, the byproduct of burning hydrogen is water.
"No toxic fumes are produced," Woodall said.
"When and if fuel cells become economically viable, our method would compete with gasoline at $3 per gallon even if aluminum costs more than a dollar per pound."
Recycling the aluminum oxide byproduct and developing a lower grade of gallium could bring down costs, making the system more affordable, Woodall said.
The Purdue Research Foundation holds title to the primary patent, which has been filed with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. An Indiana startup company, AlGalCo LLC., has received a license for the exclusive right to commercialize the process. |
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