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Porsche924boy
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 Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:58 am Post subject: Droping a blue oval. |
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Hay guys. Long time no see. I hate the damn engine. Only runs when it wants to, so I think I might just tranplant either a Ford 302 5.0 HO out of a lincolne, or a 351, from a thing of engines my granpal had. Cause if I do go the transplant route, then I need to know a few things.
1. Will the transaxle take the power of either the 302 or 351
2. Will the 351, being carbed, will I need to put a hole in the hood. (If so I might get a funtional scoop for it. Not one of the pro drag scoops.)
3. I know I'll need to do the whole, make engine mounts, proably make a oil pan, etc, but what am I missing
4. I'm leaning towards the 351, cause it's out of a mustang I think. But I also don't want to do alot of wiring, so going carbed sounds good, or am I making a big mistake, going carbed.
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JakeFrame
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:31 am Post subject: quick question |
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What kind of money are looking at putting into your car?
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Porsche924boy
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:30 am Post subject: |
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I want to know how much while were at it. Cause I might just save the money and do it. SO just help me out here. Thnx.
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Khal
Joined: 26 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:58 am Post subject: Re: Droping a blue oval. |
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| Porsche924boy wrote: | | 1. Will the transaxle take the power of either the 302 or 351 |
It will. The real question is, "How long will it take the power..?"
I'm skeptical. But others here argue it's not a problem. PORSCHEV's apparently got the stock trans' behind a big V8. Near as I can figure, Porver9two4 has the transaxle in his, too (although his is a small Rover V8 and he started with a 924S, which has a different transaxle to a '78 NA, right?). There are probably others, try searching.
| Porsche924boy wrote: | | 2. Will the 351, being carbed, will I need to put a hole in the hood. (If so I might get a funtional scoop for it. Not one of the pro drag scoops.) |
Probably best. Although it may not be strictly necessary, depending on how you route the air intake.
EDIT: Thinking about it, it may actually be necessary. Fitting a standard-type air box between the top of the carb'/engine and the hood of 924, then routing an intake tube to it may not be possible (or at least not practical)?
| Porsche924boy wrote: | | 3. I know I'll need to do the whole, make engine mounts, proably make a oil pan, etc, but what am I missing |
Can't say. But PORSCHEV has some details of what he did on his site.
| Porsche924boy wrote: | | 4. I'm leaning towards the 351, cause it's out of a mustang I think. But I also don't want to do alot of wiring, so going carbed sounds good, or am I making a big mistake, going carbed. |
I'm only guessing here, but I suspect the overall dimensions of the engine is the critical deciding factor in engine choice. I'm no V8 guru but I do know that the Ford 351's are BIG, WIDE engines! (BTW, as I understand it, there are two types of 351, "Cleveland" and "Windsor". To the best of my knowledge, the difference is the heads on each) It's entirely possible that this engine simply wouldn't fit in the engine bay of the 924. You're gonna wanna check that THOROUGHLY before diving into the swap.
Finally, the Khal Caveat... doing this sort of thing can be very expensive and very time consuming. Ask yourself, seriously, "Is it worth it?"
I figure you're considering the swap 'cause you can get the engine cheap or free. That's a good start but probably nothing in the grand scheme of things. I'm guessing that for the all-up cost of the engine swap, you could get a nice 924 Turbo or 924S... maybe even a nice later 944? Think about it... |
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turbobob9242
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:04 am Post subject: |
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1. you will need to drill a hole in the hood for the carb.
2. the trans will hold up OK but only up to 400ft lbs.
3. I would think you could get the top end of a current 5.0 mustang and do EFI.
Someone else did this already??
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Porsche924boy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:54 am Post subject: |
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Well I thinks its a windser (There are 3, a windser, clevland, and the modifides.) But I'll try and get a PM to porschev. I got the tools and stuff, and yeah it would take time, but it would be worth it. But no, a 351 is smaller than the 427 porschev, and would fit, cause I measured.
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StienbargerR
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:30 am Post subject: |
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i think your best bet is to get a renegade mod, although, you probably would have to do some major work, since they only sell 944 packages now.
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Porsche924boy
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:33 am Post subject: |
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Well I could get pre made mounts for the 5.0 (Which after long thought and other BS thats what I'd go with.) And we have the stuff to make a conversion plate to the engine would bolt onto the bell housing. And with it being EFI, I could do some work, convert it to mustang style EFI, and add a supercharger if I wanted. But I don't want to buy another Transaxle, or anything like that. If it can be done, or had a print out thing, and read it over theroughly, then I might do it, but I would really like a good Idea. I'll have to PM PORSCHEV.
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CBass
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| Porsche924boy wrote: | | Well I could get pre made mounts for the 5.0 (Which after long thought and other BS thats what I'd go with.) And we have the stuff to make a conversion plate to the engine would bolt onto the bell housing. And with it being EFI, I could do some work, convert it to mustang style EFI, and add a supercharger if I wanted. But I don't want to buy another Transaxle, or anything like that. If it can be done, or had a print out thing, and read it over theroughly, then I might do it, but I would really like a good Idea. I'll have to PM PORSCHEV. |
Hooooo boy. Forget about the 351. If you need to tell the difference, there are 5 bolts that hold the valve covers on for the Windsor and 8 bolts for the Cleveland heads.
351s are bigger, heavier engines than the 302. The 302 is really a better engine for a swap for a bunch of reasons. Smaller, lighter, better heads, better valvetrain, bottom end etc. Heads and boltons will get you 400hp and 380ftlbs on pump gas. Go with a carb, it'll be an easier swap and you'll make more power than you would with the Ford fuel injection. If you do go EFI you'll want better stuff than the OEM Ford manifold, injectors etc. Start with a carb and you'll have very little wiring work to do.
I wouldn't trust the 4 speed to hold up under that kind of power. When Bob says 400ftlbs, he's not talking about a stock 20mm '78 transmission, he's been breaking 951 transaxles. Get a 951 box if you want it to hold up.
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Porsche924boy
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Well I think its a clevland, so thanks man for that. But if I do a transplant, I'm going EFI, cause well it make since to me to do EFI, even though I don't want to do wiring.
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