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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the crank pulley mark (more of a machine cut v-shaped indentation on the back rim of the pulley) lines up with the "pointer" indicator behind it, and the distributor timing mark lines up perfectly with the front of the rotor button at that same mark. It's just that the cam sprocket mark is a bit off. Maybe I'm just being a little OCD about all of it, but the other two marks line up so well that it concerns me that the cam sprocket mark does not.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it can only possibly be off in increments of 1 tooth, so is it an entire tooth off?

Maybe put a new T belt on it just because..
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget to change your oil, it's most likely full of gas due to all the failed start attempts.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rotor arm in the distributor can be pointing in any direction after crank and cam are timed up. All depends how it was dropped back into itís mounting by the last person messing with it. Most folks donít care how itís lined up, they just drop it in and the dizzy shaft spins on the cam as it goes in. Some of us do care and take several attempts to drop in so the rotor at tdc does point in a specific place to make everything easy. So never assume the rotor is in the right place.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One tooth out on the cam will not cause a no start assuming the ignition is set up to suit. It will give you an advanced or retarded cam timing though moving the power up or down the Rev range.
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2020 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's definitely starting now, just took it for a short drive, so maybe I'm just being a little too anal about the alignment of the three different points in question. The timing belt is fairly new, less than a year for sure, and very few miles during that time. I put it on myself, something I've done on these cars a few times, and noticed the cam mark was off slightly before I took the old belt off (from my perspective) but seeing as how the car ran before the change, I didn't want to risk moving the cam sprocket without knowing how much I could without damaging the valves. Still wonder about that, if anyone with experience could chime in.

Concerning the number of teeth off in my perspective and me saying it was "a tooth and a half," that was only an estimate. I wasn't at the car at the moment and didn't measure it exactly at the time, just letting those that might want to be a help that it seemed off around that much.

That's a good suggestion about the oil change. It was cranked over quite a bit trying different ways to cure the electrical issues, thanks!
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2020 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're concerned about damaging the valves, just turn the motor over by hand after a timing adjustment. You'll be able to feel interference without causing damage.

The starter might damage things if the timing is out, so do it by hand first.
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2020 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also note that when you change the timing belt, the marks may be aligned when you slip the belt on but if you don't take up the slack properly just setting the tensioner can be what pulls them out of alignment, one tooth is usually the result.

Of course boost will hide the lack of torque from the timing being off...
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2020 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This tip definitely helped me out Vaughan, thanks! I just had this exact thing happen to me, and caused a hard to start hard to keep running situation.
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2020 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cam timing being 1/2 or 1 tooth out won't affect starting or running. But the knock on impact on a Series 1 distributor will be enough to cock up the timing and affect starting and running
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