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michel  



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:28 pm    Post subject: GTS GTR PARTS VALUES Reply with quote

Looking for a bit of assist on some parts values - factory parts.

Alum torque tube

GTS/ r. Gearbox

GTS /r crank

GTS /r injection

Lightweight doors ( Le Mans)

lightweight Bonnet ( hood)

Also value of a CGT motor ?

If anyone cares to throw a educated opinion appreciated . Yes these parts are scarce and hence can equate with $$$ . but I have a not been able to locate any parts and b cannot find any info on the net

Thx
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Carrera RSR  



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you selling or buying?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buying

And I get
The usual adage and we All Prefer to buy low and sell high...

So I usually average values
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Fasteddie313  



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:40 pm    Post subject: Re: GTS GTR PARTS VALUES Reply with quote

michel wrote:
Looking for a bit of assist on some parts values - factory
GTS /r injection


I made my own GTS-like injection including the FrankenCIS setup for <$1,000 probably, including WB, sensors, MS, Fuel Distributor, lines/fittings etc..
But a lot of custom fab work..



I already did a FrankenCIS install so their may be a lot of things I could help you out with, like installing sensors and getting your tach pickup working and stuff like that specific to the 931, if you ask..

I saw you posted in the 300hp thread..
I think you can make 300 without all of those fancy mittelmotor GTS parts if you come up with enough injection to spray it, head gasket and ARPs to hold it, a big enough turbo to blow it, and a good enough intercooler to cool it, is basically all you need for 300 imo..

I'm tuning my way up there with basically those ingredients and is going well..
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Carrera RSR  



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mittelmotor in Germany sell all the engine parts to recreate GTS spec motor. Pistons, head, IC, fuel system. And all parts re create a GTS historique race car.

Recreated Body parts can be bought in Europe

A guy in Sweden built from scratch a GTS FIA historique rally car. Quite impressive

Finding genuine parts ......... good luck. As for prices on genuine parts. Very hard to even guess as they never come up for sale. And if they do, they probably change hands between the Porsche illuminati.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carrera RSR wrote:
Mittelmotor in Germany sell all the engine parts to recreate GTS spec motor. Pistons, head, IC, fuel system. And all parts re create a GTS historique race car.

Recreated Body parts can be bought in Europe

A guy in Sweden built from scratch a GTS FIA historique rally car. Quite impressive

Finding genuine parts ......... good luck. As for prices on genuine parts. Very hard to even guess as they never come up for sale. And if they do, they probably change hands between the Porsche illuminati.


"...change hands between the Porsche illuminati."
What a brilliant line! My hat's off to you for that one!!!

Sourcing the original parts will be quite a task and if you are fixated on that you will need to be prepared to pay quite a hefty sum in my opinion. If you were to find, for instance, an original hood I would venture to guess it may cost 5 to 10 times the cost of an aftermarket piece. And that's if you know the secret handshake and magic words to get through the door. But, I could be wrong.

Other than that, engine wise consider that if your budget allows, sometimes it's better not to re-invent the wheel and just purchase proven parts that will get the job done.
However having said that, there's also something to be said for embarking on an adventure of making up your own system if you have the time, talent and passion to do so. One of the advantages here is that one just may gain a wealth of knowledge due to the inevitable trial and error circumstances that are bound to occur.
Good Luck!
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Carrera RSR  



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you are rebuilding a genuine GTS or GTR you donít need genuine parts. They were rare in the day. They are rarer now. Those with any of the original parts donít sell them on bay of fleas. There is a high end Porsche collector network out there and workshops that cater for the high end collector car and that high end client. and if you are in that club you find the right person with those super rare parts in their stash. We donít get a look in.

Plenty of ways to build a GTS or GTR replica with new replica parts. Some things may need to be made from scratch by specialists. Still cheaper and easier than sourcing a rare part made for less than 60 carís back in the day. Those parts were never ďoff the shelfĒ in the first place. They were Porsche Racing skunksworks parts out of Weissach race division.
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michel  



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thx for the input gents and am aware of the rarity issues etc. Iím often able to locate hard to find parts . Though usually 911 related . 924ís a different game

So if anyone has historical/recent data points and can share please get in touch

Thx
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michel  



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:33 pm    Post subject: Re: GTS GTR PARTS VALUES Reply with quote

Fasteddie313 wrote:
michel wrote:
Looking for a bit of assist on some parts values - factory
GTS /r injection


I made my own GTS-like injection including the FrankenCIS setup for <$1,000 probably, including WB, sensors, MS, Fuel Distributor, lines/fittings etc..
But a lot of custom fab work..



I already did a FrankenCIS install so their may be a lot of things I could help you out with, like installing sensors and getting your tach pickup working and stuff like that specific to the 931, if you ask..

I saw you posted in the 300hp thread..
I think you can make 300 without all of those fancy mittelmotor GTS parts if you come up with enough injection to spray it, head gasket and ARPs to hold it, a big enough turbo to blow it, and a good enough intercooler to cool it, is basically all you need for 300 imo..

I'm tuning my way up there with basically those ingredients and is going well..


Iíll be in touch thx
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

michel wrote:
Thx for the input gents and am aware of the rarity issues etc. Iím often able to locate hard to find parts . Though usually 911 related . 924ís a different game

So if anyone has historical/recent data points and can share please get in touch

Thx


The January 2020 issue of PCA Panorama Magazine has an article about the 924 GTR, specifically chassis 009. The article mentions that "we brought it to Britec Motorsports, who serviced it and changed what needed changing."

Seems like they might know something.

www.britec-motorsports.com
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