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doolie72
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 Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:39 pm Post subject: 1980 931 European vs US |
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Can anyone clarify where the extra power comes from in a 1980 European spec 931? I’ve searched around and discovered that for 1980 the compression ratio was 7.5 for both euro and US, so assuming it might be down to one of all of the following:
Timing (for higher octane fuels)
Boost
Lack of catalytic converter?
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bureau13
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| Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:36 am Post subject: Re: 1980 931 European vs US |
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My understanding is that the bulk of it is due to increased boost, but I don't know that they didn't make other changes at the same time. They may well have pulled some timing to make that increased boost safer?
| doolie72 wrote: | Can anyone clarify where the extra power comes from in a 1980 European spec 931? I’ve searched around and discovered that for 1980 the compression ratio was 7.5 for both euro and US, so assuming it might be down to one of all of the following:
Timing (for higher octane fuels)
Boost
Lack of catalytic converter?
Thanks |
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Carrera RSR
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| Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:29 am Post subject: Re: 1980 931 European vs US |
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| bureau13 wrote: | My understanding is that the bulk of it is due to increased boost, but I don't know that they didn't make other changes at the same time. They may well have pulled some timing to make that increased boost safer?
| doolie72 wrote: | Can anyone clarify where the extra power comes from in a 1980 European spec 931? I’ve searched around and discovered that for 1980 the compression ratio was 7.5 for both euro and US, so assuming it might be down to one of all of the following:
Timing (for higher octane fuels)
Boost
Lack of catalytic converter?
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Incorrect. The boost is the same. It’s a combo of compression ratio, turbo and ignition differences. 7bhp on paper does not reflect on the road that it’s quicker. Just delivers power differently to series 1. Not one or the other is better or worse. Just different.
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Cedric
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Steve, i think you are mixing up the s1 s2 thread with this us vs row discussion 
Its both boost and timing, and also the cat if course. So pretty easy to get it back up to row specifications
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bureau13
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| Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:17 am Post subject: Re: 1980 931 European vs US |
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Unless everything I've read about it is wrong, the Euro car made ~10 psi and the US version was closer to 6. That's a significant difference.
| Carrera RSR wrote: | | bureau13 wrote: | My understanding is that the bulk of it is due to increased boost, but I don't know that they didn't make other changes at the same time. They may well have pulled some timing to make that increased boost safer?
| doolie72 wrote: | Can anyone clarify where the extra power comes from in a 1980 European spec 931? I’ve searched around and discovered that for 1980 the compression ratio was 7.5 for both euro and US, so assuming it might be down to one of all of the following:
Timing (for higher octane fuels)
Boost
Lack of catalytic converter?
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Incorrect. The boost is the same. It’s a combo of compression ratio, turbo and ignition differences. 7bhp on paper does not reflect on the road that it’s quicker. Just delivers power differently to series 1. Not one or the other is better or worse. Just different. |
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1986.5 Silver 928S
2007 Hummer H3 (Daily Driver)
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1993 RX-7 (Sold)
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Carrera RSR
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| Cédric wrote: | Steve, i think you are mixing up the s1 s2 thread with this us vs row discussion
Its both boost and timing, and also the cat if course. So pretty easy to get it back up to row specifications |
Yep. You are right. Travelling Germany and posting on the fly 
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Mike9311
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Sorry so late to this topic.... This I know for sure since I have one
1980 USA has the larger 2664 Compressor wheel and smaller 4.10 Turbine housing. (1981 and '82 USA received the 2660 with 4.10)
Pretty sure the Euro 1980 had the small 'old school design' 2470 Compressor and larger 6.10 turbine housing.
I know its been said its easy to find the 2664 here in USA but not so much anymore. It was only 1980.
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