Show full size 924Board.org
Discussion Forum of 924.org
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 
 Technical FAQ924 FAQ (Technical)   Technical924 Technical Section   Jump to 924.org924.org   Jump to PCA 924 Registry924 Registry

Cheap bottom end upgrades?
Goto page Previous  1, 2
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    924Board.org Forum Index -> Performance Upgrades
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Carrera RSR  



Joined: 08 Jan 2010
Posts: 2309
Location: Somerset, UK

PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juho wrote:
https://racingfuel.es/head-stud-kit-porsche-924-20-all-models-arp-complete-head-studs-n1?lang=en

Has anyone ordered from this site?


Can’t find the part number, but I used ARP studs listed for Escort/Sierra Cosworth engines from a Ford specialist which were nearly half that price.
_________________
1980 931 - forged pistons, Piper cam, K27/26 3257 6.10 hybrid turbo, 951 FMIC, custom intake, Mittelmotor dizzy & cam pulley, H&S exhaust, GAZ Gold, Fuch'ed, Quaife
Now www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=34690
Then www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=31252
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
safe  



Joined: 18 Mar 2017
Posts: 586
Location: Sweden

PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't see a need for arp head studs in an NA application.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Juho  



Joined: 03 Oct 2018
Posts: 377
Location: Finland

PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carrera RSR wrote:
Juho wrote:
https://racingfuel.es/head-stud-kit-porsche-924-20-all-models-arp-complete-head-studs-n1?lang=en

Has anyone ordered from this site?


Can’t find the part number, but I used ARP studs listed for Escort/Sierra Cosworth engines from a Ford specialist which were nearly half that price.


ARP 251-4701? found this part number on ideola's garage website
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Juho  



Joined: 03 Oct 2018
Posts: 377
Location: Finland

PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

safe wrote:
I really don't see a need for arp head studs in an NA application.


Arps would be obviously better but i think im going with elrings since they cost so much less
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
MikeJinCO  



Joined: 08 Jun 2010
Posts: 1228
Location: Maysville, Colorado

PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ARP head studs are for a Ford Sierra Cosworth #251-4701 and are $135 from Summit racing or maybe 110E. The crankscraper guy is an absolute ripoff, I ordered and paid for two, got one. When I last checked he was not very healthy. Maybe a change by now.

When porting manifolds make your own gasket patterns, the gaskets are too big. enlarging to the gasket will make the air slow down then re accelerate. If using the stock CI exhaust manifold, grind it out to smooth it and match the head and header. It is a very poor and rough casting and very hard cast iron. Between 77 and 78 they added another cooling fin to the casting as my '77 did crack.

My 10+ CR race motor with mild cam, MSDS header and webers is at an entire different performance level, even with just guessing the proper carb jetting and timing.
_________________
Mike


'67 MG Midget Dp
'71 Ocelot Dsr Kawasaki 1000(under rebuild)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Juho  



Joined: 03 Oct 2018
Posts: 377
Location: Finland

PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MikeJinCO wrote:
The ARP head studs are for a Ford Sierra Cosworth #251-4701 and are $135 from Summit racing or maybe 110E. The crankscraper guy is an absolute ripoff, I ordered and paid for two, got one. When I last checked he was not very healthy. Maybe a change by now.

When porting manifolds make your own gasket patterns, the gaskets are too big. enlarging to the gasket will make the air slow down then re accelerate. If using the stock CI exhaust manifold, grind it out to smooth it and match the head and header. It is a very poor and rough casting and very hard cast iron. Between 77 and 78 they added another cooling fin to the casting as my '77 did crack.

My 10+ CR race motor with mild cam, MSDS header and webers is at an entire different performance level, even with just guessing the proper carb jetting and timing.


how much power you think your engine is making with those mods?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
MikeJinCO  



Joined: 08 Jun 2010
Posts: 1228
Location: Maysville, Colorado

PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no idea as to power, the car is probably 150-200kg lighter also. It is so different it is unbelievable, when accelerating in 3rd you get shoved back in the seat a bit,not the sedate acceleration as in a stock one. Since I think my street car has a blown head gasket it will get a Cometic head gasket and ARP studs when it goes back together, it is just better made parts. The old bolts are 40 years old and the new ones may be Chinese junk, having worked in the piston ring industry, aftermarket even brand name parts(particularly obsolete ones) basically have no quality control. It may cost more, but you only have to do it once. Also getting a thinner Cometic head gasket(.040 vs .065) increases the CR. I think it will be necessary to pull the hood using the ARP studs.
_________________
Mike


'67 MG Midget Dp
'71 Ocelot Dsr Kawasaki 1000(under rebuild)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
daniel  



Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Posts: 670
Location: Sydney, Australia

PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My motor has 125rwhp (probably 150-160 at flywheel) with the following mods:
- Mild Cam (30/70 from paeco)
- Standard turbo head, valves and springs
- Cometic head gasket to give 11:1 compression
- custom forged flat top pistons
- polished rods (to remove weight)
- lightened flywheel
- bottom end balanced and blue printed
- basic port and polish job of head and inlet
- home made mandrel bend exhaust (not equal length due to RHD car and steering column interference)


10 years racing with only oil changes.
_________________
Over the top of skyline, total brake failure.... hit the wall at over 200 kp/h at the dipper, so anyone who has to brake for the esses is a pussy.
1977.5 Race Car, CAMS Group S Spec
1989 944 Cabriolet
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    924Board.org Forum Index -> Performance Upgrades All times are GMT + 10 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2
Page 2 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group