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Mike9311
Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Posts: 1678 Location: Chicago-ish
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:32 am Post subject: Ideola Liquid to Air Intercooler Install |
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So I am back at it again...
Trying to bang this out before the Sept gathering.
At least 7 re-designs and 7 3D printed plastic test pieces before being happy "enough" to go to machining. Not even sure if this will work out. Would have/should have 3d printed in Alum but here goes nothing.
Keep in mind this is only partially roughed out
[/img] _________________ 1980 931 since 1989
1981 Ideola 931 Club Sport
1982 931 Entwicklungsfahrzeug
1979 924 NA ohne 650 mit 471
1982 931 Red Resurrection - 951 IC
1982 931 parts car / resurrection?
1980 924 NA (R&D lightweight)
1982 931 wana-be GTR race car
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ideola
Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15548 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:40 am Post subject: |
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Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh! Want want want! _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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Mike9311
Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Posts: 1678 Location: Chicago-ish
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:56 am Post subject: |
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ideola wrote: | Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh! Want want want! |
_________________ 1980 931 since 1989
1981 Ideola 931 Club Sport
1982 931 Entwicklungsfahrzeug
1979 924 NA ohne 650 mit 471
1982 931 Red Resurrection - 951 IC
1982 931 parts car / resurrection?
1980 924 NA (R&D lightweight)
1982 931 wana-be GTR race car |
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morghen
Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 8884 Location: Romania
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:46 am Post subject: |
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Jesus! Mights as well have milled it from a cubic foot
Why didnt you cast that? Would have been easy and cheap.
Or have it from a bent pipe and a milled flange...ic looks welded so.. _________________ https://www.the924.com |
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Cedric
Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 2614 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:55 am Post subject: |
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morghen wrote: | Jesus! Mights as well have milled it from a cubic foot
Why didnt you cast that? Would have been easy and cheap.
Or have it from a bent pipe and a milled flange...ic looks welded so.. |
Haha, around here we often joke about the Americans fondness of billet everything, whether it's needed is less important
Great work! Seems fun, and i guess you have great machines at your work place. Sometimes i wish i didn't work at such a big place, almost everything fun (like borrowing the cool machines) is forbidden.. _________________ 1980 924 Turbo
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ideola
Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15548 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:12 am Post subject: |
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Casting is neither easy nor cheap. Trust me, I've looked. You can't find anyone who will do any alu casting for less than 10,000 pieces. And we've already seen what new cast GTR manifolds go for. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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Kenodog
Joined: 25 Jun 2003 Posts: 2651 Location: Vancouver,B.C.
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:26 am Post subject: |
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Au contrair. Casting is cheap and easy. As I mentioned before in a different thread I had a quote of $5,000 Cdn. to make a mold for casting new 931 exhaust manifolds. After that you simply pay a small set-up fee for each run and then by the pound for the raw material. Inconel 625 was quoted to me at $2/lb.
Mike's little part is ridiculously simple for a mold. The problem is finding enough people to cough up the dough to split the mold cost. Each unit after that would be peanuts though. _________________ 1979 Euro 931, Olive
1981 931, Sabine
1991 Ford Ranger XLT 4x4, Ricky
1996 Ford E-350 ex-FedEx Van
2014 Mazda CX-5 (Kinderwagon)
2019 KTM 790 Adventure
2024 KLX300
2024 KLX140 |
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Mike9311
Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Posts: 1678 Location: Chicago-ish
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:37 am Post subject: |
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The whole idea wasn't mine since I too thought it a tad crazy. I was challenged by my father.
Obviously I am doing it because I have the equipment but by no means did I think it was optimal. Normally this is fun but I am struggling a tad right now on my approach
Two things did push me to at least try though. First I have seen something like this done so I wanted to see if I could and, second, to push the skills a bit. If I can't do this, I certainly cant do anything "head" related. Ultimately that's where I am headed down the road.
Somewhere back in my mind I think often of what CarreraRSR did with making something look like it was supposed to be there all along. I tip my hat to Steve frequently and I hope this turns out that way.
Maybe I should just cast it myself I'll think about it since I did do something like that once long ago... _________________ 1980 931 since 1989
1981 Ideola 931 Club Sport
1982 931 Entwicklungsfahrzeug
1979 924 NA ohne 650 mit 471
1982 931 Red Resurrection - 951 IC
1982 931 parts car / resurrection?
1980 924 NA (R&D lightweight)
1982 931 wana-be GTR race car |
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ideola
Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15548 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:03 am Post subject: |
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Kenodog wrote: | Au contrair. Casting is cheap and easy. As I mentioned before in a different thread I had a quote of $5,000 Cdn. to make a mold for casting new 931 exhaust manifolds. After that you simply pay a small set-up fee for each run and then by the pound for the raw material. Inconel 625 was quoted to me at $2/lb.
Mike's little part is ridiculously simple for a mold. The problem is finding enough people to cough up the dough to split the mold cost. Each unit after that would be peanuts though. |
You'd be lucky to get 10 buyers, so just for the mold cost alone, that's $500 per piece. Maybe we have a different idea of cheap. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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Kenodog
Joined: 25 Jun 2003 Posts: 2651 Location: Vancouver,B.C.
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:08 am Post subject: |
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While it may be true that my version of reality is different than most other peoples', I still maintain that you could sell brand new Inconel 931 manifolds all day long.
When someone is spending 30,000 Sterling on a ride they will not be abject to coughing up a measly 500 more for a new-made NOS manifold.
We don't ghetto stuff around here. Do it right is the quote of the day.
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1981 931, Sabine
1991 Ford Ranger XLT 4x4, Ricky
1996 Ford E-350 ex-FedEx Van
2014 Mazda CX-5 (Kinderwagon)
2019 KTM 790 Adventure
2024 KLX300
2024 KLX140 |
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ideola
Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15548 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:34 am Post subject: |
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Kenodog wrote: | I still maintain that you could sell brand new Inconel 931 manifolds all day long. |
Sounds like a great candidate for a group buy. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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Mike9311
Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Posts: 1678 Location: Chicago-ish
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:56 am Post subject: |
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I always wished there was a way to create divided runners in a thinner walled manifold. Hopefully looking stock on the outside or at least close
Thought about it and started...but didn't take it much farther.
_________________ 1980 931 since 1989
1981 Ideola 931 Club Sport
1982 931 Entwicklungsfahrzeug
1979 924 NA ohne 650 mit 471
1982 931 Red Resurrection - 951 IC
1982 931 parts car / resurrection?
1980 924 NA (R&D lightweight)
1982 931 wana-be GTR race car |
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ideola
Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15548 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Mike9311 wrote: | |
I'll take two. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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Cedric
Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 2614 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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Sign me up for a cast inconnel manifold:) ! I think you need to get closer to the euro scene and the historic racing/rallying guys, lots of dough in that world. And 931s have been popping up at alot of events. 25k pounds for new bdg engine for your ford escort, people obviously have money to spend. Maybe it would be a wise thing to get mittlemotor in Germany into the deal, I guess that's how you could get the volumes up and make such an idea into reality. _________________ 1980 924 Turbo
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Mike9311
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Seriously, for 500 I would take two, maybe 3 or 4.
I know mittlemotor wont be charging 500 _________________ 1980 931 since 1989
1981 Ideola 931 Club Sport
1982 931 Entwicklungsfahrzeug
1979 924 NA ohne 650 mit 471
1982 931 Red Resurrection - 951 IC
1982 931 parts car / resurrection?
1980 924 NA (R&D lightweight)
1982 931 wana-be GTR race car |
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