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How do 924s hold up in extreme cold?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raceboy wrote:
In winter, temps are usually between -15C to -35C, though with good oil, good thermostat and late heater (1981 and up) you will see no problems.


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I used my 931 as a daily driver for many years but not anymore. In winter time it never had any problems. The 1982 model has a very good cabin heater, excellent. Earlier models might be different. I think I used 5w-40 oil when the weather was colder. Also always used the engine block heater before starting the car. But there was one time I forgot to adjust the timing clock (for example it starts to heat the engine 2 hours before start up) Anyway it was -30 degrees celsius and it still needed only two attempts to start it up with out the block heater.

With good studded tyres the traction is very good and you don't have to be afraid of any kind of winter weather. Go for it!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the advice guys. It's getting me excited to actually pull the trigger on this adventure.

I'm thinking about buying one car that is nearby. It has two problems that the owner has told me about. One is the headlights have a gremlin and there is some buzzing when the lights are on. I'm not too worried about sorting that out.

The other problem is that when the car is driven over 2500 RPM, it has a lack of power. I'm assuming this is an issue with the CIS? The current owner believes it is a grounding/electrical problem. But to me it sounds like fuel. Possibly the air flow sensor malfunctioning? Any thoughts?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are sure you will be buying a 924 with CIS you may as well buy a CIS testor now because IMO you should use one to confirm its correct no matter how good you think it runs.

So get yourself a nice CIS testor and you can test that car on the spot and have no doubts.
It sounds like fuel to me too but you never know, or a simple vacuum leak, or possibly an ignition problem, your guess is as good as mine with the basic information you have provided..

I don't know your budget or plan for getting the car in top operating condition before your journey but it may be wise to have your CIS fuel system rebuilt (WUR, fuel distributor, new injectors, filter) before such a massive undertaking just for reliability sake anyway.
And then test it with a CIS testor anyway to make sure sure it's right, I would even bring the CIS tester with you on your journey if I was you, it would likely be a miracle to find one along your journey if you happen to break down.

How much do you know about CIS already?
I would be happy to link you to some good readin/watchin about it if you would like to really wrap your head around it..
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Almost half way down this page on the right..
http://www.specialtauto.com/delorean-parts/fuel-injection.html

Is..


"""""
CIS Fuel pressure test kit.

This is a must for testing the fuel
system for proper operation.
Shop quality
For the Bosch K Jetronic
99.95
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This is the only place I know of them available for sale.. Or if you are handy you could make one..
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fasteddie313 wrote:

How much do you know about CIS already?
I would be happy to link you to some good readin/watchin about it if you would like to really wrap your head around it..


Thanks for the advice. I definitely need to learn more so please post some links!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Start here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4fJAfXYxWk

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More pretty good watchin starting here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-PuxKL3ieY
It is a 3 part video of a Merc V8 CIS-Lambda system on a test bench and he explains some good stuff.. 924 is very similar..

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At this address.. http://www.ferrari400parts.com/kjetdownload.php
There are a bunch of K-jet pdf's on the left you can download and read, most only work for me if I "save as" and then add ".pdf" to the file.

You don't need to read them all but they can be good reference material..

Especially this one I like.. http://www.ferrari400parts.com/Warmupregulatorrepair.php That you can just click on and view (most of the time).
If you want to know and see what's going on inside a WUR.

If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask us..
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CIS diagnostic instruction here:
http://www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=35734

Lack of power over 2500 could be a number of things, including fuel delivery, weak spark, improper valve and ignition timing, and vacuum leaks. Always a good idea to start with fuel delivery first...new filter, replace external pump, clean the AFM, check flow thru injectors (procedure in Haynes), and a full CIS test as described at the above link.

It would be worth considering "smoking" the intake to find vacuum leaks, and then address anything you find. Common culprits are dried and crack vacuum lines, cracks in the plastic and rubber intake boots, and leaky injector seals.

Then do a full tune-up: new plugs, rotor, cap, air filter, and double check ignition timing.

Once you've done all that, THEN work on getting the idle and fuel mixture set properly.

After that, double check the valve clearances. With all of that done, car should be working good, and you can begin working on other reliability / preventive fixes.
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