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Ignition timing when using a MSD

 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:08 am    Post subject: Ignition timing when using a MSD Reply with quote

What the best why to time the motor when using a MSD box triggered straight off the magnetic pickup in the distributer. Motors basically stock with dual Webber's. My thought was setting a total advance of 42 degree's at 3500 RPM with vacume advance disconnected. If there's a better way I"m open to suggestions.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Multi-Spark-Discharge devices produce two or more sparks per plug below about 3500 RPM. Above that, one spark per plug. It is a hotter spark but the timing should remain per factory specs. The MSD benefit is proper ignition at low and mid range. 42 degrees of advance is probably too much for that RPM range on a street car. We go as much as that and more on the race car but at 6000 RPM and the engine is never below 4500 on the track.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a Lemons Car .Its first race is Nov 2 at Road America
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then 42 max total should do you well... assuming the inside of the engine is clean (no heavy deposits) and you're running premium, just to be sure.

For us, with mechanical advance only, that usually works out to about 12deg at idle...

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The motor was real clean when I tore it down to replace the gasket and seals in the motor. Who ever owned it before me had rebuilt it not that long ago. Bearings were new head was rebuilt. Compression was 155 165 165 160 . I think the cam is not stock as valve lift is more than stock at .510 intake .520 exhaust . Thanks for the info on timing that's going to be a big help.I'm going to be running 100 octane VP fuel for the race.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may not need the expense of that fuel then; with our IT motors, stock cams, we haven't found it necessary to run more than 93 octane pump gas - big cost savings!

I don't know if the cam changes things, but seems like you don't have enough compression to worry about octane rating...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

924RACR wrote:
You may not need the expense of that fuel then; with our IT motors, stock cams, we haven't found it necessary to run more than 93 octane pump gas - big cost savings!

I don't know if the cam changes things, but seems like you don't have enough compression to worry about octane rating...

Have to use up the fuel don't want to store it for the winter.It was a perk from a sponsor.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kinda like beer: the best kind of race fuel is FREE!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

924RACR wrote:
Kinda like beer: the best kind of race fuel is FREE!!!
Got that right .What kind of speed would u guess i could see out of this car. Scales with me in car had the weight at 2450.
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