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924-76

Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Posts: 1489 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:02 pm Post subject: Manual boost controller, which one to buy? |
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There is so many different one with such a large price different that I don’t know which one to choose.
I want:
- in cabin
- set on the fly, no tool required
- ease of use
I don’t want:
- spend more money then needed
- an unreliable pieces of sh!t.
Please share your experience
Thanks _________________ 1976 924 N/A ROW SOLD
1980 931S
1981 931 Part car RIP |
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kcoyle

Joined: 15 Jan 2011 Posts: 712 Location: Long Island, NY
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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I am using this one but its under the hood. It's very small and seems well built. I don't goof with it much but its been plug n play. Just turn the knob. Its a tad overpriced IMHO but I found one used on fleabay.
http://www.amazon.com/Turbosmart-TS-0101-1001-Boost-Tee-Boost-Controller/dp/B001N1KV22
and for a real life size scale
 _________________ 1982 931- Stock with MBC at 8psi
Relax, all right? My old man is a television repairman, he's got this ultimate set of tools. I can fix it. |
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fiat22turbo

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 4040 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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in cabin boost controllers are generally a bad idea. Too tempting to the driver to turn the wick up.
Also they all work on essentially the same principle (except the electronic version that control a vacuum solenoid) where they control the amount of boost seen by the wastegate using a spring with a small ball as a valve. add more pre-load to the internal spring and the more boost pressure it takes to move the ball off the seat.
Typically the failure mode is that they get dirty internally and the controller is stuck either on full boost. This is true for the high-dollar billet units or the cheap ones built from a Grainger catalog (google Grainger valve).
My suggestion to anyone wanting a boost controller is to place it under the hood and carefully adjust it to the max pressure they want and leave it alone. Also, the wastegate line on the 931 is worth keeping intact as they are getting hard to find, so try to find fittings that will thread in and allow you to make your own line.
Keep an eye on the boost pressure from inside the cabin to ensure it does not exceed the desired limit, pull over and adjust if it does. Make sure to use a locking nut.
If you want selectable boost settings, I suggest moving to an electronic boost controller that uses solenoids. There are several on the market, including DIY solutions, they all work essentially the same and leverage a MAP or pressure sensor to track the pressure in the intake and release the wastegate when the desired target is reached. _________________ Stefan
1979 924 Carrera GTS (clone-ish)
1988 944 Turbo S (Silver Rose) |
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Joes924Racer

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 11964 Location: Oregon, Denver Colorado native!
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:01 am Post subject: |
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"The writings sp small on it ,cant read it. Does it say do not mount in cabin. If not then 80 bucks is not a bad price. Dan and the RSRguy
both have nice incabin ones... if i went underhood , a boost guage
would make things better. _________________ 1979 porsche 924 Na
1980 porsche Turbo 931GT Replica
Have u ever driven a turbo. |
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fiat22turbo

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 4040 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:55 am Post subject: |
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I've built them for $10 and they work just as well as the fancy ones. To each their own, I prefer to use solid state controllers to cut down on the work I have to do in the cockpit. _________________ Stefan
1979 924 Carrera GTS (clone-ish)
1988 944 Turbo S (Silver Rose) |
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924-76

Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Posts: 1489 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| kcoyle wrote: |  |
Clean and simple installation, I like it
Thanks _________________ 1976 924 N/A ROW SOLD
1980 931S
1981 931 Part car RIP |
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kcoyle

Joined: 15 Jan 2011 Posts: 712 Location: Long Island, NY
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Also, if you don't want to cut into the WG line, you can buy two hose barbs from the local hardware store and these two specialty adapters (ordered from egauges) to just bolt it in.They are the brass bits in the pic.
Qty Part No Name Price Total
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1 R7963 Adapter Bushing - 1/8 NPT female x M14 X 1.5 male $6.40 $6.40
1 R7962 Adapter Bushing - 1/8 NPT female x M12 X 1.5 male $6.40 $6.40 _________________ 1982 931- Stock with MBC at 8psi
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morghen

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 9095 Location: Romania
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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i use this the Forge Motorsport T style controller.
i installed it under the hood.
it looks clean to me, i hate all the blue and red sparkling crap you can nowadays buy for your honda....
 _________________ Supercharger and EFI kits
https://www.the924.com |
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jazz guy

Joined: 26 Nov 2002 Posts: 434 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| fiat22turbo wrote: | | in cabin boost controllers are generally a GREAT idea. This ALLOWS the driver to turn the wick up when needed! |
Fixed that for you.
All kidding aside, you make a good point. Not having the will-power to resist the temptation could have terrible consequences. That being said...
I've had the boost control knob mounted inside the cockpit for years. I like to run boost just as high as the ambient air temp and gasoline quality allow so I make adjustments almost every time I drive.
DISCLAIMER: YRMV (disastrously!)
edit: btw, I put my controller together using a "Grainger" pressure regulator. Cheap, easy to install, and has worked fine for me for a long time.
Cheers, Brian |
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fiat22turbo

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 4040 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| jazz guy wrote: | | fiat22turbo wrote: | | in cabin boost controllers are generally a GREAT idea. This ALLOWS the driver to turn the wick up when needed! |
Fixed that for you.
All kidding aside, you make a good point. Not having the will-power to resist the temptation could have terrible consequences. That being said...
I've had the boost control knob mounted inside the cockpit for years. I like to run boost just as high as the ambient air temp and gasoline quality allow so I make adjustments almost every time I drive.
DISCLAIMER: YRMV (disastrously!)
edit: btw, I put my controller together using a "Grainger" pressure regulator. Cheap, easy to install, and has worked fine for me for a long time.
Cheers, Brian |
You know there is a way to have the fuel and boost levels automatically calibrate to ambient temperatures and air pressure, its called "EFI" use it to control boost via solenoid and you can do fun things with the boost levels.  _________________ Stefan
1979 924 Carrera GTS (clone-ish)
1988 944 Turbo S (Silver Rose) |
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jazz guy

Joined: 26 Nov 2002 Posts: 434 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:12 am Post subject: |
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| fiat22turbo wrote: | | You know there is a way to have the fuel and boost levels automatically calibrate to ambient temperatures and air pressure, its called "EFI" use it to control boost via solenoid and you can do fun things with the boost levels. |
Well... yeah... if you want to take the "easy" way out. Where's the sport in that?!?  |
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924-76

Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Posts: 1489 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:54 am Post subject: |
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Finally got it today, the best one for my GTS poject, a 935/924 GTR boost controller
I bough it as a core, it will need a good clean up and a function test.
I did a blow trough test and play with the adjustment at the same time and so far so good
 _________________ 1976 924 N/A ROW SOLD
1980 931S
1981 931 Part car RIP |
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Cedric

Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 2807 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:13 am Post subject: |
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Where on earth did you find that? Looks brutal and old, just like it should be! Have been looking for a boost knob that actually fits the 70s turbo look and dont look like a bling bling jap crap thing, and yours is about how it should look Guess there arent more of them were that came from ?  _________________ 1980 924 Turbo
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924-76

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924-76

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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:08 am Post subject: |
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Also, the old style Greddy Trust boost controller is similar looking, easier to find and a lot cheaper.
 _________________ 1976 924 N/A ROW SOLD
1980 931S
1981 931 Part car RIP |
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