Show full size 924Board.org
Discussion Forum of 924.org
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 
 Technical FAQ924 FAQ (Technical)   Technical924 Technical Section   Jump to 924.org924.org   Jump to PCA 924 Registry924 Registry

What makes a club sport a club sport?
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 13, 14, 15 ... 22, 23, 24  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    924Board.org Forum Index -> General Discussions
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
thirdgenbird  



Joined: 29 Feb 2008
Posts: 367
Location: Pella, IA USA

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ideola wrote:
thirdgenbird wrote:
it is great to see progress on this. let me know how the suspension shakes out. the effective rate on 225# springs and stock t-bars should be about the same as my 450# springs correct?

Yeah, that's about right, set up to match the 600# springs up front.


600# up front? i thought you were going 400#. i think 600# will be too much.
_________________
17in caymans, koni yellow coilovers, hypercoil springs, kla solid upper mounts, 968 sway bars, kla drop links, kla strut brace, fidanza flywheel, dansk catback, wilwood front calipers, ss brake lines, e-codes, 944 duckbill, manual rack,momo steering wheel
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ideola  



Joined: 01 Oct 2004
Posts: 15550
Location: Spring Lake MI

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thirdgenbird wrote:
ideola wrote:
thirdgenbird wrote:
it is great to see progress on this. let me know how the suspension shakes out. the effective rate on 225# springs and stock t-bars should be about the same as my 450# springs correct?

Yeah, that's about right, set up to match the 600# springs up front.


600# up front? i thought you were going 400#. i think 600# will be too much.


Sorry, was tired last night...you are correct, 400s up front.
_________________
erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
thirdgenbird  



Joined: 29 Feb 2008
Posts: 367
Location: Pella, IA USA

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that will be close to what i have:

350# front springs (slightly lighter than yours)
450# rear springs (effective rate should be almost identical to your)
square wheel/tires setup (what you plan to run)

what sway bars do you have? i am running 968 MO30s

if i remember correctly, my spring rates are roughly the same front to rear ratio as an OEM car without a sway bar. my intention was to use the swaybars to dial out understeer. unfortunately, the car has been somewhat unpredictable. i think it is a result of some very cheap tires.
_________________
17in caymans, koni yellow coilovers, hypercoil springs, kla solid upper mounts, 968 sway bars, kla drop links, kla strut brace, fidanza flywheel, dansk catback, wilwood front calipers, ss brake lines, e-codes, 944 duckbill, manual rack,momo steering wheel
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
tyfighter123  



Joined: 19 Jan 2010
Posts: 551
Location: Colorado

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan what size is the speed hut gauge? I think I am going to order one and eliminate the speedo cable.
_________________
Porsche 924 1977 N/A
Mustang GT/CS 2007
Porsche 924S 1987 (parts car)(cut up and recycled)
Porsche 911S 1976
Porsche 931 1980
Porsche 931 1980 (parts car)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
ideola  



Joined: 01 Oct 2004
Posts: 15550
Location: Spring Lake MI

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tyfighter123 wrote:
Dan what size is the speed hut gauge? I think I am going to order one and eliminate the speedo cable.

They have several options. This is what I ordered:
GL4-GPS-03
Legacy 4in. GPS 160mph Speedometer
Black dial // White font(Reverse White Glow)
Font Style = Eurostyle
Graphics = NONE
Logo/text = Nothing
Pointer = Red (Glows Red)
Bezel = Stealth Classic Black

It required a little bit of fettling to get it to work. The gauge has a large "nut" that screws onto threads on the body of the gauge housing that is supposed to clamp the gauge into the gauge surround. The problem is that the threaded portion does not extend far enough to go out past the back side of our OEM gauge surround. I used a hacksaw to cut off about 1/4"-3/8" of the back side of the gauge surround. Since I wanted to swap my tach and speedo around, this was no big deal because the rear of the gauge surround on the end was easy to cut off...it would be much harder to modify the gauge surround if you want to keep the speedo in the center.

The second issue I had was that the OEM rubber gasket that holds the gauges snugly in place was a little bit too large for the SpeedHut gauge, both the width and the diameter. I took the OEM rubber gasket and cut it so it ended up being exactly half as wide as it was originally, and then I wrapped some electrical tape around the body of the speedo, just behind the black bezel in order to allow the rubber gasket to more snugly fit on the gauge. Then I pressed it in as normal, and tightened the nut on the back side.

Electrical connections are well documented and easy to follow.

The OEM speedo cone-shaped lens is a perfect fit for the SpeedHut gauge. If you're familiar with prying the bezel off of the OEM gauge, it will be easy to remove the OEM lens. Simply unscrew the bezel on the SpeedHut gauge, remove the flat lens, and replace with the OEM lens. It's pretty straight forward to orient the odo reset hole on the OEM lens; you can easily remove the reset pin from the SpeedHut lens, and then reinstall onto the OEM lens. It will be slightly cocked due to the angle of the cone-shaped lens, but it can still be positioned appropriately, and fits snugly enough to operate the reset function.
_________________
erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Carrera RSR  



Joined: 08 Jan 2010
Posts: 2312
Location: Somerset, UK

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't wait for some on road and dyno results of these engine builds Dan.
_________________
1980 931 - forged pistons, Piper cam, K27/26 3257 6.10 hybrid turbo, 951 FMIC, custom intake, Mittelmotor dizzy & cam pulley, H&S exhaust, GAZ Gold, Fuch'ed, Quaife
Now www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=34690
Then www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=31252
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ideola  



Joined: 01 Oct 2004
Posts: 15550
Location: Spring Lake MI

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carrera RSR wrote:
Can't wait for some on road and dyno results of these engine builds Dan.


I've found a place about 30 minutes from me where I think I can rent a half-day at the dyno. I need to get the Club Sport motor broken in before I schedule time. I'm having the usual niggling little details to sort out...there were a lot of hidden electrical gremlins on this car that I'm still chasing down. But still shooting for a spring dyno session.
_________________
erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
thirdgenbird  



Joined: 29 Feb 2008
Posts: 367
Location: Pella, IA USA

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan, any thoughts on this:

thirdgenbird wrote:
that will be close to what i have:

350# front springs (slightly lighter than yours)
450# rear springs (effective rate should be almost identical to your)
square wheel/tires setup (what you plan to run)

what sway bars do you have? i am running 968 MO30s

if i remember correctly, my spring rates are roughly the same front to rear ratio as an OEM car without a sway bar. my intention was to use the swaybars to dial out understeer. unfortunately, the car has been somewhat unpredictable. i think it is a result of some very cheap tires.

_________________
17in caymans, koni yellow coilovers, hypercoil springs, kla solid upper mounts, 968 sway bars, kla drop links, kla strut brace, fidanza flywheel, dansk catback, wilwood front calipers, ss brake lines, e-codes, 944 duckbill, manual rack,momo steering wheel
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ideola  



Joined: 01 Oct 2004
Posts: 15550
Location: Spring Lake MI

PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about some more weight savings while we wait for the replacement rod bearings to arrive.

Complete stock headlight setup, all hardware, with original OEM Euro H4 light assemblies, motor, lifting bar, buckets, covers, etc. = 20.0 pounds

Claude's fixed headlight conversion kit + Hella H4 head light assemblies = 6.6 pounds

Total weight savings = 13.4 pounds



Will wait to install until after the motor goes back in.
_________________
erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ideola  



Joined: 01 Oct 2004
Posts: 15550
Location: Spring Lake MI

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe I have a diagnosis on the low oil pressure situation. It appears to be incorrect bearings. Long story short, I have two of the 2.2L stroker setups, one for the UWB and one for this motor. Apparently, only the UWB stroker was done as standard-standard (main & rod journals); the second crank, which went into the Club Sport motor was turned down to 1st undersize.

I must have measured the wrong crank when I installed it into the Club Sport, so it got standard bearings. Fortunately, I caught the low oil pressure right away, and there was no damage done to any of the components. In fact, the standard bearings that came out don't even look used...they still have their original coating intact.

Last week I was able to get the new .25 OS bearings installed for both the crank and the rods, and got the motor all reassembled. Yesterday, I was able to get the motor dropped back into the chassis. I still have a lot of work to do to reconnect all the ancillaries (rad+coolant hoses; fuel system; DITC and a few other electrical connections; exhaust system). If things continue at the current pace, I hope to be able to start the engine next weekend, and then finish the TMCC installation.
_________________
erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
tyfighter123  



Joined: 19 Jan 2010
Posts: 551
Location: Colorado

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan, now where did you get .25 under mains? Those things are no where to be found!!!!
_________________
Porsche 924 1977 N/A
Mustang GT/CS 2007
Porsche 924S 1987 (parts car)(cut up and recycled)
Porsche 911S 1976
Porsche 931 1980
Porsche 931 1980 (parts car)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
Fifty50Plus  



Joined: 28 Feb 2008
Posts: 1422
Location: Washington DC area

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He squeezed his eyes shut tight, scrunched up his face, tapped the heels of his sparkly red shoes together twice and Voila!
YMMV
_________________
1979 924 NA race car H-Prod SCCA
1982 924 NA race car - Sold
1981 924 Turbo sold
1982 924 Turbo sold
1972 911 E race car - traded for Cayenne Diesel
1975 914 1.8 Building for H-Prod SCCA
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ideola  



Joined: 01 Oct 2004
Posts: 15550
Location: Spring Lake MI

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


_________________
erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ideola  



Joined: 01 Oct 2004
Posts: 15550
Location: Spring Lake MI

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

w000ooooooooooooo000000000000000o000o0o0o000ttttt!!!

Engine is back in. Finished the install this morning. 5 quarts of Brad Penn SAE30 Break-in Oil. Re-filled coolant. Fired it up. (Had to tweak the DITC ignition distributor orientation). Voilą!

8 bar of oil pressure at initial cold startup (it was COLD this morning ... only 10°F when I started working, and I forgot to store the oil in the heated garage ). Ran the temp up to the first tick mark to bleed the cooling system. Settled in @ 4.5 bar of oil pressure at ~1000RPM idle.

It's supposed to be dry, partly sunny, and 40°F tomorrow. And it's President's Day, so I get the day off. I plan to get the front suspension bolted back up, swap on the correct rear coil over springs, and then do some rolling road break-in cycles. Very excited!

Oh yes, I also got Claude's (924-76) fixed headlight conversion installed, so if the weather and suspension work cooperates, I'll snap some pix of that too.

Next up: plumb in the coolant circuit for the TMCC!
_________________
erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ideola  



Joined: 01 Oct 2004
Posts: 15550
Location: Spring Lake MI

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CS is once again moving under its own power

We were granted President's Day as an official holiday this year, so I took advantage of the day off, combined with a dry 45°F partly sunny day. Got all of the suspension bits bolted back up (although if you look at the pix closely, you'll see that it's in dire need of an alignment!!!). Put on the front bumper, put on some D90s shod with roller tires, buttoned up the dash electrics enough to drive it, and took it out for a few break-in laps around the neighborhood. Sure felt good to drive it!

Still have a lot of work to do:
  • Install aux fuse block
  • Permanently wire in the GPS speedometer and the boost, AFR, and oil temp gauges
  • Fine tune the panel gaps with the hood and fixed headlight conversion
  • Install the windshield trim
  • Fix the Euro driving / fog light wiring (had been badly hacked by the P.O.)
  • Alignment and corner weighting
  • Plumb in the coolant circuit for the TMCC
  • Apply the sun screen to the windshield and rear hatch
  • Apply the Club Sport graphics


We wiped it down after the celebratory laps. Notice the fixed headlight conversion (kudos to Claude / 924-76 for the amazing kit!) and the corrected ride height. Still waiting to put rubber on the satin black Club Sport wheels, but these D90s give a good approximation of how the design of the wheel works with the whole package.











_________________
erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    924Board.org Forum Index -> General Discussions All times are GMT + 10 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 13, 14, 15 ... 22, 23, 24  Next
Page 14 of 24

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group