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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:05 am    Post subject: Went and looked at a 931 today... Reply with quote

...or what was left of it. It was an '81 with a scabbed on '44 rear end (fiber glass) and front fenders. Stance was original with D-90's (which were OK) sitting inside the wells too deep, though.

Interior was shot with some AM racer seats, backseat original was OK. The engine bay was a nightmare, after market intake from turbo, no inter-cooler, just straight through the turbo to TB. There should be an IC, right?

He wants a grand for it, I was prepared to offer 750 on the way over, now that I've seen it, no way. After talking awhile, and my inability to hide my disgust, he said he might call a junk guy to get it, I told him to call me, maybe I'll match the junk price.

Would be a heck of a project I guess, lots of time and money, made me appreciate the shape mine is in a little more. I haven't seen but one other turbo for sale around here and that was in Georgia.(Looking for almost 2 yrs)

May be able to salvage a few parts from it, sad really, considering how rare these cars seem to be
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the 931 didn't have an intercooler.

you didn't state if it ran or not.

buy it, should be able to make back your money parting it out. The hood with the factory duct is worth a couple hundred, isnt it?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey thanks Rocco, yeah I did some more research and was still confused about the IC . I tend to stay away from the turbo section for fear of catching the 'gotta have it' bug.

He said it would run, but the fuel dist is fouled up (and no telling what else). I guess it would be OK for some parts, just too bad it's in that rough of shape.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh, never ride in mine.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joejax wrote:
...too bad it's in that rough of shape.


Funny, was recently discussing this very subject with some mates. Since I have been in North America, I have yet to personally see a 924 Turbo that is running and in genuinely good condition -this is excepting Kenodog's, which had slightly average paint but was near perfect everywhere else, and Shaggy, which is pretty damned sharp but not local to me. I have seen one non-runner that had quite a reasonable body and interior, and one runner that had a reasonable interior and a so-so (fairly well done repaint but with some chips, rust bubbles and orange peel) exterior. I have heard rumours of only one locally that is in genuinely good condition and running. There seem to be a handful on this 'board that are proper good'uns.
Unfortunately, IMHO, the rest have been utter scrap. Barely a boxful of salvageable parts and bodies that are, frankly, horrifyingly bad. The last two I've gone to see, well... *shakes head sadly*

If you have a good'un, my advice is hang on to it and treat it well. It'll never be worth a million dollars but it'll be a very rare (and very cool, IMHO) classic all the same.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Khal, well said, now that I think of it, I've never seen a '31 until now, and it was a '44 wanna-be (not that there's anything wrong with that ). But, gee whiz, just ...not good.

I really like my '24, it's been running great lately, looks half way decent and I'm not too worried about going fast.

I'm beginning to wonder if my satisfaction with the rarity of the '24 is falling short for the rarity of the '31. After all, I've seen at least 4 other '24s around here within the past 2 years.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arnold (AKA 1980 931S) has one 1/8th inch paint chip on his front bumper, and two half inch cracks starting on his dash so I guess he isn't perfect, BUT he starts and runs perfectly.... has ever since I bought him in 1991.
So much for the myth that 931's are prone to mechanical problems or breakdowns.
Original radio still works too.
I thought his shocks were going, but the local mechanics yelled at me to freekin drive him more. <----( we shall see, but so far they are right as the shock or shocks haven't frozen up in the "whybeyondsportsuspension" position for over a month).
931's ARE out there, but those who know them REALLY like them and are taking VERY good care of them.
I am the second owner of "1fun931" <----(Arnold's original plates),
and of course, the first owner was a female as well.
She loved this car, but loved her son more (he really would have killed himself had she allowed him to drive it). That was the reason she had to sell her "S"and buy a Volvo.
And there is the predicament.
How do you even advertise for something that is so rare and so misunderstood?
The only talk about these cars has been less than "nice", but not predicated on actual ownership.
Those that own one of these, really DO drive them sparingly, as they know just how cool these cars are.
It has been so many years now that any 931 will need a LOT of work and $$$$ thrown at it.
Same however can be said about any of the older P cars.
If you find one that is running and more or less all there, I would decide how much $ pain$ I wanted to go for, and how many years I wanted to give in bringing the car around, and then see if it's a good fit.
Seats can be located at pelican, or parts heaven for not that much, carpeting is also available, and a headliner is not at all hard to do.
Painting one of these is like painting any other car.
Deal breaker for me personally would be a trashed transmission, blown to pieces motor, or gunked up fuel system.
One thing that might shake loose a great 931 for sale, is to enter the "lion's den" and place a wanted ad in Pano... and see what happens.
I picked up a copy of Pano to thumb through at the accountant's office today (accountant owns an older 911) and Pano had of course zip/nada 924/931 in their ad section.
If there is a demand... I'm sure there will be someone that will try to meet it.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good stuff, sounds like you have a nice one there, 2nd owner and all, more than likely not butchered up like this one. Overcoming nightmares caused by previous owners can be overwhelming.

If they're out there, they sure are hiding them well. I should have jumped on the one in GA (Savannah) looked like a nice original example, wanted 3 grand IIRC. Was not in my budget and the time, and who knows when it will be.

Not too concerned about parts or bodywork,except for the cost and a gunked up fuel system is a given, my '24 had so much junk in the tank, I don't know how it even ran.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK.... I am going to throw this out there and don fireproofed nickers...

BUT....

....we might just be our own worst enemy when it comes to the 924's and 931's.

We WANT a GREAT example of a plus thirty year old Porsche... for less than $3000.????

REALLY?????

Does anyone here after restoring a 931 to the enth plan on offing their 931 for under $3000.????

The worst ad campaign ever was the roll-out of the 924, and it done by Porsche itself....

"It won't be the price that takes your breath away...."

Dumb and Dumber could not have written ad copy worse than that.

I still maintain that a perfect example of a 931 should not be less than $21.000.
Start deducting for anything that needs to be done.

I think if a "wanted" ad in some upscale auto rag showed up for a great example 931 offering a decent amount ....say....$8000., the cars would *suddenly* be "there".

I have three guys in this town ALWAYS pestering me to keep them "updated" if I should ever want to sell Arnold or Janis....and one of those guys owns two 911's, but has ALWAYS loved the styling of the 924 and 931's.
One thing I have already done is warn them that they would not be cheap.

That didn't seem to bother them at all.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeanette wrote:
....we might just be our own worst enemy when it comes to the 924's and 931's.

We WANT a GREAT example of a plus thirty year old Porsche... for less than $3000.????

REALLY?????

...I still maintain that a perfect example of a 931 should not be less than $21.000.


Classic.

I feel you've entirely missed the point. For upwards of twenty grand you can get any number of cars that will eat a 931 for breakfast... straight line, 'round corners, you name it *cues the hotrodders for their usual rocket-on-a-skateboard song and dance routine*. With luxury and reliability that an owner of an old 924 Turbo could only dream about. And, annoyingly, the list starts with the 924 Turbo's immediate siblings.

"Bah! The '73 Carrera RS is worth a basquillion dollars! And the same is true of it!" you'll cry. Yes. But the '73 Carrera RS is special. Want to dump twenty-grand-plus on a turbo'd toofah? Get a special one. Get a Carrera GT.
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jeanette wrote:


....we might just be our own worst enemy when it comes to the 924's and 931's.

We WANT a GREAT example of a plus thirty year old Porsche... for less than $3000.????

REALLY?????


I hear you, it is really strange. But it seems that this phenomenon is somehow related to North America. Cars are so cheap over there and people are used to it. "They have always been cheap and I won't have it in any other way"

Over here for 3000 euros (which is close to 4300 dollars) you could get a 924 Turbo which was just recentely lifted from the bottom of the Baltic Sea. For the last 20 years it was owned by a cod and it has some surface rust.

Ok, I know there have been difficulties in the US economy and so on, but come on guys: Don't you go to work regurarly and earn some money? If you don't want put your money on 924s, then it is your choice. Don't complain about it here.

(This post wasn't addressed to any particular individual on this board, it just reflects my frustration towards the very cheap car prices the US and the fact that people in the US aren't realising this)
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Khal wrote:
With luxury and reliability that an owner of an old 924 Turbo could only dream about.


Luxury? I'm driving one of the fastest 2.0 litre sports cars introduced in the 70's, who cares about luxury? I guess someone is really missing the point.
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9xx wrote:
I guess someone is really missing the point.


Nah, I have one. It's a Euro-spec, too

9xx wrote:
Over here for 3000 euros (which is close to 4300 dollars) you could get a 924 Turbo which was just recentely lifted from the bottom of the Baltic Sea. For the last 20 years it was owned by a cod and it has some surface rust.


Gold!

Yeah, it's different in Oz, too. In fact, they're even a little more expensive on the north side of the U.S. border, too.

But if you could get a Boxster S or even, say, an E36 M3 for €7.000, would you seriously think a 924 Turbo is particularly special?
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Khal wrote:
But if you could get a Boxster S or even, say, an E36 M3 for €7.000, would you seriously think a 924 Turbo is particularly special?


OK, you have a point. But is it fair to compare it (924) with much more modern cars? In our hearts the 924 is always going to be VERY special? You can't deny it, spit it out! You love it.
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9xx wrote:
In our hearts the 924 is always going to be VERY special? You can't deny it, spit it out! You love it.


Oh, I don't think that's any secret...

Khal wrote:
But for some strange reason, to my eyes it's exceptionally good looking and to me, it's just great fun to drive! Everything about the way it handles is just-so... you sit low and the shifter is just in the right place and the wheel sits in your lap (maybe a little low but hey, nobody's perfect!) and pedals are placed just right... then you throw it into a corner and it feels just right! Light and agile.


Khal wrote:
...when I was a kid my best mate's old man bought a 924, then bought a Turbo. At the time it was most awesome thing I'd ever seen or been in. Looked like a bullet and went like one, too! I've had a thing for them ever since. Especially the Turbos.

I love the shape, they really appeal to me. Granted they're aging. But I'm one of those types that still thinks a 356 looks hot. Others think a 356 look like a bathtub with wheels...
I actually like the quirky 80's-ness of the styling, long and low, with the vents and pop-up headlights.

I love the huge sunroof, very cool. It's especially good here in Brisbane where it's sunny most of the year.

I love the feel of the interior. Feels like sitting in a jet fighter compared to most modern econo-boxes. The gear-lever sits just so, pedals are near-perfect. There's heaps of room for driver and passenger and it's comfortable, surprising for such a small car. Mine's a late model Turbo so it's got everything, leather interior, power windows, air-con, etc...
My only complaint is that the steering wheel is not adjustable... even for a short-arse like me, the wheel sits a little low.

It's surprisingly practical. You can carry a whole lot of stuff in the back of one. Even a couple of kids

The handling is fantastic. Neutral, fool-proof. Grips like a cat on a rug

Mine being a Turbo, the performance is excellent. It goes like a cut snake and has a top speed that'd embarass any Hyundai's I can think of. I love the whistle of the turbo as the boost builds, and the shove in the back when it kicks in

Pretty impressive, considering it cost less than cheapest new Hyundai when I bought it... and it'd be almost as efficient!


Khal wrote:
They aren't worth much -as you've probably noticed -and they never will be. They're basically a money pit.

So why buy one?


Because they're brilliant, that's why!

They're quick, with a decent top speed. Don't listen to the Yanks, they got the dodgy version. Ours were all "Euro" or "RoW" models, with 125hp and a 200km/h+ top speed.

They're extremely comfortable and they feel good to drive. All the controls are well placed (drive one back to back with a similar vintage 911 and you'll see exactly what I mean ). A minor gripe is the low steering wheel -your hands can hit your knees when you're cornering hard -but that's the worst of it.

The handling is idiot-proof. They're incredibly well balanced and feel pin-sharp.

They're quite practical, for a sports car. The rear seats fold down and you can fit a surprising amount of stuff in the back. She'll swallow two full golf bags and buggies, no worries.

They're amazingly economical. They'll do 30mpg in the old money, maybe more. That's comparably to any new econo-box.

And the major gripe against them when they were new... their low-rent mechanicals... are now the best thing about them! This is a Porsche that you can actually fix yourself!

They're very, very simple. And practically bullet-proof. Anyone who's handy with the spanners will have no problem with them. Once you've got it in good running condition, she'll go forever. After all, they've already done a quarter-century... what's another 20 years..?

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