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Joes924Racer

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 11964 Location: Oregon, Denver Colorado native!
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:47 am Post subject: Pilot bearings. |
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Question am I correct that pilot bearings are different sizes from a early NA non-turbo and a early turbo, with the turbo being a bigger unit
as the splined input shaft from the torque is bigger.  _________________ 1979 porsche 924 Na
1980 porsche Turbo 931GT Replica
Have u ever driven a turbo. |
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ic932
Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 1104 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Correct sir...the 931 has a simple traditional style bearing, pressed into the flywheel (IIRC..not the crank ala 944...although the bearing is identical) I PRESUME the inner bearing diameter would be larger on the 25mm shaft compared with the 20mm? Either way, you need the 931 specific spigot (pilot) bearing. I've rea about the funky 924 bearing but not witnessed it ...thank the lord.  _________________ BANNED |
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fiat22turbo

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 4040 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, that would be they have different part numbers and different listed, when you look them up. _________________ Stefan
1979 924 Carrera GTS (clone-ish)
1988 944 Turbo S (Silver Rose) |
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Rasta Monsta

Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 11733 Location: PacNW
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:17 am Post subject: |
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Look whaa? _________________ Toofah King Bad
- WeiBe (1987 924S 2.5t) - 931 S3
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ic932
Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 1104 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| fiat22turbo wrote: | | Yes, that would be they have different part numbers and different listed, when you look them up. |
Very good point. Trouble is part numbers change but specs can remain the same. PET is full of...  _________________ BANNED |
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Joes924Racer

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 11964 Location: Oregon, Denver Colorado native!
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:02 am Post subject: |
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Will a na bearing fit into the 931 crank along with na
sachs clutch/flywheel. _________________ 1979 porsche 924 Na
1980 porsche Turbo 931GT Replica
Have u ever driven a turbo. |
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ic932
Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 1104 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| Joes924Racer wrote: | Will a na bearing fit into the 931 crank along with na
sachs clutch/flywheel. |
Just skip your weekly bikini wax expeniture and buy the bearing instead mate. _________________ BANNED |
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:37 am Post subject: |
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Cranks are identical so yes you could probably figure out a way to rig up the NA clutch assembly & bell housing. Obviously, the flywheel would need to be marked for the Turbo timing marks, and you'll be more susceptible to clutch slippage, but I can't think of anything at the moment that would prevent bolting on the NA clutch arrangement to a turbo motor. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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fiat22turbo

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 4040 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| ideola wrote: | | Cranks are identical so yes you could probably figure out a way to rig up the NA clutch assembly & bell housing. Obviously, the flywheel would need to be marked for the Turbo timing marks, and you'll be more susceptible to clutch slippage, but I can't think of anything at the moment that would prevent bolting on the NA clutch arrangement to a turbo motor. |
Sanity perhaps? _________________ Stefan
1979 924 Carrera GTS (clone-ish)
1988 944 Turbo S (Silver Rose) |
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ic932
Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 1104 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:02 am Post subject: |
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| ideola wrote: | | Cranks are identical so yes you could probably figure out a way to rig up the NA clutch assembly & bell housing. Obviously, the flywheel would need to be marked for the Turbo timing marks, and you'll be more susceptible to clutch slippage, but I can't think of anything at the moment that would prevent bolting on the NA clutch arrangement to a turbo motor. |
Frankly thats just bad advise. I'm fresh from doing an axle stand in the rain clutch job..some man stateside sell the guy a turbo flywheel for christ sakes... _________________ BANNED |
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:39 am Post subject: |
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Unless you're trying to do what Joe's trying to do, which is to put a 931 lump in an NA body. It's not the path I would take, but it can be done, and to avoid having to drop the rear suspension to change out the torque tube, it might be a viable alternative to consider...especially bearing in mind that those honker torsion carrier bolts often fuse to the aluminum sleeves making it virtually impossible to get the rear carrier out (which is required if you want to change the torque tube). _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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Joes924Racer

Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 11964 Location: Oregon, Denver Colorado native!
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:55 am Post subject: |
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Not yet. I know I should make and eat the 2 pieces of toast 4 egg
omelet with 2 kinds of cheese,onions peppers & garlic, though not yet.
Its a new clutch so by the time the 931 lump is dialed in with
the intercooler! It will be time to swap outthe torque tube and rear
carrier. Something like that. _________________ 1979 porsche 924 Na
1980 porsche Turbo 931GT Replica
Have u ever driven a turbo.
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| Joes924Racer wrote: | | Something like that. |
Umm...yeah. OK. Something like that. Wow. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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ic932
Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 1104 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| ideola wrote: | | Unless you're trying to do what Joe's trying to do, which is to put a 931 lump in an NA body. It's not the path I would take, but it can be done, and to avoid having to drop the rear suspension to change out the torque tube, it might be a viable alternative to consider...especially bearing in mind that those honker torsion carrier bolts often fuse to the aluminum sleeves making it virtually impossible to get the rear carrier out (which is required if you want to change the torque tube). |
No its not viable and not worth considering....like I said, extremley bad avise cos it don't work, given the amount of work envolved I would describe your advise as morally neglegent...its no fun working under these cars mate. _________________ BANNED |
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ideola

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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:24 am Post subject: |
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[ignore]ic932[/ignore] _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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